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Ant, knock it F off, be the bigger guy here, you have too much to offer and provide great service at a price that many people are willing to pay for, if they didn't think it was worth it, you wouldn't still be in business, and you wouldn't have been able to expand.

 

Remember like in baseball as was said by Reggie, They don't Boo you for being a nobody..

 

Now get your a** back in here.

get outta here! you ain't going nowhere. you're stuck with us!

 

On a more serious note, you're running a successful business with loyal customers and a growing client base. Does it matter what one (or two lol) forum member thinks of your pricing or training method?

Students come out of your school enlightened and educated, plus they gain a lifelong friend.

Maks or a mod please remove GFH from this forum asap.

Looks like GFH said GFY!!! LOL!!!! Thats pretty serious. Maybe now this board will accept criticisim and not delete people who pay money to Maks' pocket...

Sitting here on this forum, it seems that there are a group of kids that are waaaay into video games, comic books, and take fantasy football waaay too seriously. Then there are some who are adults concerned about real world liberties and real world gun handling, training, repair, ownership issues.

I have seen this form, a supporter of 2a rights, take a big dump on people's 1a rights. Thats a shame, you cant have one without the other.

Too many kids on here Maks. Grow this forum up please.

We shall see...

i dont know gunforhire seems like a great guy, i have seen him in person on sat morns at the bullethole, you bring a lot to the table sad to see you leave we already had to see the bullethole leave the forum.

As an impartial observer to all this:

 

A. I'm a capitalist. Charging as much as the market will bear is capitalism. Nothing wrong with that. That is the American way!

 

B. I didn't read every post but I haven't seen anyone say anything negative about GFH's training. By all accounts his training ability is not in question. It's only the pricing that is in debate. See A above.

 

 

GFH is an asset the forum but as a business, his business practices are open to criticism. I've read no criticism of GFH, the man and I have no problems with his businesses practices. His fees are well communicated. Hidden fees would be a legitimate gripe. If, as a consumer, you feel his prices are too high, then don't patronize his business. A business can set their prices. Don't like what you get for the money then don't patronize the business. That is capitalism.

Seems GFH has the right idea. This place has become too top heavy with know-it-all kids.

get outta here! you ain't going nowhere. you're stuck with us!

 

On a more serious note, you're running a successful business with loyal customers and a growing client base. Does it matter what one (or two lol) forum member thinks of your pricing or training method?

Students come out of your school enlightened and educated, plus they gain a lifelong friend.

 

I fully agree here.

 

You are going to rid you and your company off this forum just because a few people were saying some things about your company?

 

Maybe I am not getting the whole picture? But who cares. Stay on the forum and put those things aside.

Anthony et al,

 

Anyone EVER hear the phrase 'mall ninja' ??? I am sure you have....

 

I do not have a dog in this fight, but to bail-out on support of the forum and or partaking in it's activities, due to critisicm by some folks seems silly....

 

I have read the partial thread as listed above and it is what it is.....

 

Further, as an example I have met martial artists who have never been REALLY hit, nor have hit in a street fight, yet claim that their training or his training, seminar etc.... is exemplary.....proof is in the pudding as they say.

 

Hang around it would be a shame to see you go.....you did a good job with my buddy Gene (he's a new shooter) so you cant be all that bad.... LOL....

 

Your call.....

As far as I'm concerned, it really comes down to your students. If they feel as though the training they received was worth the money, then who can say otherwise? As for the criticisms about your "method" with some exceptions, you can't really criticize a person's personal method with firearms. I mean, there are some general rules, and things that pretty much everyone can use, but for tactical type things, a lot of it boils down to what the individual likes the best. Odds are you're teaching one of many methods, and for your students, that may be the best thing.

 

As for leaving the forums, I wouldn't if I were you. I'm used to seeing a crap-ton of forum drama on the airsoft boards, this sort of thing happens all the time. Sure 1-2 people may have a beef with you, but screw it, considering how many people right here on this topic are supporting you, and I'm sure your students would support you, I would say you're doing a pretty damn good job. It's just a pain when you run into people that don't like you for whatever reason, but it's like my mom said, you can't please everybody all the time.

 

Besides, if nothing else, you provide an invaluable training service to the NJ community, and it would be a serious loss for you to go.

Seems ashame if we lose a guy and a business that supports and promotes firearms in such a anti gun state !!!!!!!!

Seems ashame if we lose a guy and a business that supports and promotes firearms in such a anti gun state !!!!!!!!

 

Understatement.......

While I agree that it's a shame to lose GFH, those with long memories on this board will remember that Anthony has shown that he is a bit thin skinned for this forum.

While I agree that it's a shame to lose GFH, those with long memories on this board will remember that Anthony has shown that he is a bit thin skinned for this forum.

 

I don't know how many assaults on your character you have to take before enough is enough, but I don't believe Anthony is over reacting.

 

 

I don't know how many assaults on your character you have to take before enough is enough, but I don't believe Anthony is over reacting.

 

I am in Hawaii, so it is possible I am missing the bigger picture with some other threads. All I see here is one person squabbling with GFH. He has an opinion and so does Anthony. People have chimed in in defense of GFH, as loyal customers would. To me, all seems right in the world.

Anthony don't leave screw him. He doesn't support this forum like you do. Stay with njgf and don't mind him. This forums need you n us ppl need you here on this forum. Your school and this forum taught me so much and hate too see you go.

I Agree with Dan, it really hasn't been a one or a few time thing. Like I said I don't think Ant should go but I am not him so I have to leave the decision up to him. I will say, I think the Fourum will have lost a big asset, however that won't change who he is, he will still be a big contributor to the firearms community in not just the publics eyes, but behind the scenes.

I guess I did miss some other GFH related threads. Context is everything. I am a member of other forums where knowledgeable folks, who were invaluable resources, dropped out due to hectoring from mall ninjas and douchebags.

It is everyone's loss, except perhaps the other forums they join to take the place of the one they leave.

IMO it seems like Anthony/GFH is taking things too personally. It's not like he's hurting for business over there. He's got marketing and publicity like never before. We live in a capitalist society. You choose how much you want to charge for something. The consumers can therefore shop around and make their choice of whom they want to purchase from. It's up to the consumer to do the research and purchase what they think is the best value.

Can't we enjoy the nice weather outside without drama? =) its not even monday. Going to catch up and speak with both parties involved.

 

Hinchman/Vinny, Megaman, seriously? Delete posts that criticize? The only people who think like that are the ones with tinfoil hats on, or whose posts were deleted for their abusive, abrasive language, or their personalities. If you think that we over-moderate or delete posts we disagree with, why on earth did we allow you to re-register on here for the second time. The only two three people, out of 2800+ that have ever made such a comment were you, your buddy who quit the board, then came back, then quit the board again. (who knows), and another fine person from way back in the past, who made large criticisms of brick and mortar stores (not a problem), but who not make one post without using foul language or making posts without abusive language, or name calling. So the common thread between the three.... no one really wants to look in the mirror. This is not an anonymous forum to flex Internet muscles. It is a resource and extension of real life relationships. I have absolutely ZERO tolerance for anyone who cannot make a point without resorting to name calling, profanity or abusive language.

 

I respect everyone's opinion, I tolerate the tinfoil hats, and I stay away from the people that I would not want to be associated with.

 

Today alone I've been told by 3 different people of who great a resource the community is, and by two more how it is "under-moderated" and we give people too much room, and too many chances. This means we are doing something right.

 

Lastly, your notion of protecting the people that pay the forum/me (ie the vendors). Yes... the majority of the vendors who have been here since the beginning, their dues to the forum pay for 3 large dunkin donuts lattes (cant afford starbucks). As long as I am around, the forum is all about a community of friends for me, and having a resource for shooters, both new and experienced alike in NJ. What is priceless, at least for me, is the relationships that are founded. If a vendor leaves, by me asking, or their own accord, it does not make a material impact, as long as the pure fees are involved. The biggest "expense" if you want to call it that, is the time that the mods and others put in, hours a day, dealing with the bs of running a community and forum software, blocking spammers, answering basic questions, dealing with the feedback and marketplace listings (thank you Jack, total abuse).

 

End of the day guys, grow the f' up. Realize the fact that people will have a different opinion from you sometimes, but deal with the fact that in this great country, people have the right to their opinion. You have to respect the right to their own opinion. You do not have to agree with it, nor does it matter if you agree with it or not. If you make a post, or make a comment about anything, and as long as it is not abusive, contains foul language, or has personal attacks, it will stand. If you can't help but respond without resorting the the abuse, do yourself a favor and leave, or put the person on your "ignore" list. It is a great feature.

 

If anyone has comments, questions, concerns, rude remarks, send me a pm. Better yet, send me suggestions how to fix whatever you think is wrong. We are pretty responsive to it.

 

Now... going to lock this until I talk with both parties.

In before the lock!

Maks, I did not leave the forum, I was kicked off. I will take my name calling tin foil wearing self to Ants new forum. Yes, deleted posts that were critical. Ask that kid Matt666 how its done.

And I find the marketplace useful. Since you know I have re-registered as a paying member, then you know I use the forum, for marketplace transactions, not much more.

But I digress, as your real battle is with your vendors, not paying members.

Now, back to getting fitted for my gold plated tin foil hat.