Scenario 1: Person A wishes to sell a long gun to Person B. Person B is from another state and does not have residency in NJ. I assume that the sale would need to happen in Person B's state through an FFL. Is this correct?

 

Scenario 2: Person A wishes to sell a long gun to Person B. Person B is also from another state, but has residency in NJ. Person B DOES NOT have an FPID. For this scenario, I assume that the FPID would be needed if it was being sold, but what about a simple transfer of ownership without money exchanging hands. Would that require an FPID despite being a transfer and not a sale?

Scenario 1: Person A wishes to sell a long gun to Person B. Person B is from another state and does not have residency in NJ. I assume that the sale would need to happen in Person B's state through an FFL. Is this correct?

 

Scenario 2: Person A wishes to sell a long gun to Person B. Person B is also from another state, but has residency in NJ. Person B DOES NOT have an FPID. For this scenario, I assume that the FPID would be needed if it was being sold, but what about a simple transfer of ownership without money exchanging hands. Would that require an FPID despite being a transfer and not a sale?

 

Money changing hands makes no difference. Think of a transfer as just that, a transfer. The money side of things never comes into play for any firearm transfer under the law in NJ.

Thanks for clearing that up.

A person (non-prohibited, of course) cannot receive a transfer of a LONG arm in NJ unless they hold a valid (with matching drivers license) Firearms Purchaser ID Card except for being the recipient of a transfer by inheritance.

Jon nailed it right on the head. Paying for a gun, and taking ownership of a gun, are two TOTALLY different things.

Thanks for the responses, guys. I feel a bit more knowledgable now about the maze that is NJ's firearm laws.

A person (non-prohibited, of course) cannot receive a transfer of a LONG arm in NJ unless they hold a valid (with matching drivers license) Firearms Purchaser ID Card except for being the recipient of a transfer by inheritance.

 

Can you cite the reference REQUIRING the matching driver's license? I was unaware that having a driving privilege was a prerequisite for the 2nd amendment.

Both must be valid. If the address is wrong on either, it is no longer valid.

Both must be valid. If the address is wrong on either, it is no longer valid.

 

Please provide a citation to support your claim.

ac

From the Sticky at the top of the forum (which I realize is not the LAW word for word):

 

2. Long gun purchases by

....A. NJ resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested

........(3) Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

........(4) Out-of-state resident = must be transferred through

............a. NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID or

............b. Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

....B. Non-resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

........(2) NJ resident = must be transferred through

............a. NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID or

............b. Out-of-state dealer = consult buyer's home state laws

 

If the Sticky is wrong, and there is a LAW requiring a VALID AND MATCHING DRIVERS LICENSE for a PERSON to PERSON transfer, cite it and let's get the sticky updated so as to not confuse people.

 

ac

Can a duel resident (2nd home in NJ) (Texas DL and a valid NJ FID card) transfer a long gun to a NJ resident with valid FID card?

Please provide a citation to support your claim.

ac

 

If you no longer live at the address that is on your driver's license, then your driver's license is no longer valid (7 day grace period) and you can not legally drive and if you do, you are in violation of NJS 39:3-10something.

 

If you no longer live at the address that is on your FPID, you must get it changed according to NJAC 13:54-1.11a.

Can a duel resident (2nd home in NJ) (Texas DL and a valid NJ FID card) transfer a long gun to a NJ resident with valid FID card?

 

If the dual resident FPID is issued to a current and valid NJ address, then I would say yes. Federal Law prohibits interstate transfers, NJ law applies towards legal acquisition. If both the state of NJ and the state of Texas consider you a resident, you can legally transfer a firearm to another resident of NJ or Texas. I'm not a lawyer, so it's worth what it cost you.

If the Sticky is wrong, and there is a LAW requiring a VALID AND MATCHING DRIVERS LICENSE for a PERSON to PERSON transfer, cite it and let's get the sticky updated so as to not confuse people.

ac

 

What is wrong with the sticky?

What is wrong with the sticky?

 

I don't THINK anything. I read often that posters claim a Valid and Matching driver's license is required for a face to face transfer. I KNOW at an FFL you must provide a valid government issued ID (not necessarily a drivers license). I know every time I have bought a firearm from an FFL they take my ID and write down the type of ID and ID number on the form they use to record the transaction. This form is NOT used for person to person transfers. I reviewed the COE and PPP forms again, and I see nowhere a form of ID other than the FPID would be recorded on the forms.

 

I see NOWHERE in the laws or forms where a PERSON TO PERSON exchange requires ANY form of ID other than the FPID. Is this incorrect? If so, where is that requirement?

 

 

I also spoke to 2 FFLs and they both agreed that the addresses need not match. In the sticks where I live, it is not uncommon to NEVER have your DL match your FPID. Mine doesn't. My DL has my MAILING address because that is all they will let me put on it as all of my qualifying proof of address has my MAILING address. My FPID has my PHYSICAL address because that is what the NJSP required. This has been quite annoying trying to buy guns FTF from members on this forum.

 

 

ac

Okay, face to face is different. As stated in the sticky, "face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested".

 

BTW, the NJMVC does accept both address for your driver's license renewal. Your residence address SHOULD go on the DL and the mailing address is recorded. All mailings will go to your mailing address. Some schmuck employee reversed the addresses when they inputted your info into the computer. Both addresses will show up on a lookup by your name or number. I suggest getting it corrected when you can. It will make your purchases easier. Also, I believe that there is a law under Title 39 that says your residence address must go on the DL, but I don't care to waste 30 minutes looking for it.

Okay, face to face is different. As stated in the sticky, "face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested".

 

BTW, the NJMVC does accept both address for your driver's license renewal. Your residence address SHOULD go on the DL and the mailing address is recorded. All mailings will go to your mailing address. Some schmuck employee reversed the addresses when they inputted your info into the computer. Both addresses will show up on a lookup by your name or number. I suggest getting it corrected when you can. It will make your purchases easier. Also, I believe that there is a law under Title 39 that says your residence address must go on the DL, but I don't care to waste 30 minutes looking for it.

 

I tried that route...but I can't provide proof of address for where I live physically as everything that is mailed to me comes through my mailing address.