I just picked up the paperwork for some new pistol permits from NJSP barracks. The last time I did it I gave them names and addresses for my references on the form. Now they want me to "INCLUDE TWO PRE STAMPED ENVELOPES WITH YOUR REFERENCES NAMES AND ADDRESSES ON THEM." Bold face is as it appears on the instructions page straight from NJSP. Anyone else have this experience? Thoughts?

No never saw that and even though I don't like it, I will say that if I had the opportunity at the time I am putting in for my P2P's to have the officer hand me the 2 letters to mail out I would be more than happy to drop them in the Stations Outgoing Mail box so I know they were being mailed in a timely fashion.

 

To Note, I think NICS is all we should need to do when buying any firearm.

If it gets the referecnce letters sent quicker and accurately, it's a win-win.

Thanks, thats about how I was thinking of it. It may actually speed up the process, but then isn't that what they say about all of their additional requirements? And hell, if they were doing it for me, why not let me hand carry the questionnaires to my refs.

I just put in for my pistol purchase permits at my local NJSP barracks, a couple of weeks ago and there was no mention of providing self addressed stamped envelopes for anything. In fact my references got the questionnaire letter from the NJSP within 7 days!!! I was shocked, as last year when I went through the same process, at the same barracks, my references didn't get their letters until 8 weeks had gone by. Hopefully this time around the process will be much faster than the roughly 6 months it took last year for me to get my permits.

I mean, what's the big deal if it means that your references get their letters that much sooner?

And for total cost of about a buck!

 

(Is it true that a day without a MacDouble is a day without sunshine??)

I mean, what's the big deal if it means that your references get their letters that much sooner?

And for total cost of about a buck!

It comes down to, what if it doesn't go any faster and they added a requirement?

Local towns do not require you supply the envelopes. Go to your local town and not NJSPB.

Local towns do not require you supply the envelopes. Go to your local town and not NJSPB.

 

Those towns that do not have police coverage MUST go to the NJSP for FPIDs and Permits.

Those towns that do not have police coverage MUST go to the NJSP for FPIDs and Permits.

 

That's correct. My town does not have a PD, as it is really small. We have to use the NJSP... and although I used the NJSP, I was not asked to provide self addressed stamped envelopes... so maybe each barracks does it differently?

They are probably not permitted to require that from you. As with all things, you need to decide if this particular infringment is worth making an issue out of.

My NJSP barracks just places a phone call. No letters involved

They are probably not permitted to require that from you. As with all things, you need to decide if this particular infringment is worth making an issue out of.

That was the thrust of the thread. Maybe a quick call to NJSP Firearms Division would help, maybe it wouldn't. Anyone have experience with them? Can I point out the issue to them and they take action so I can remain more or less anonymous? Or is it more like a formal complaint? Part of me thinks its not worth the hassle, but part of me thinks this should be an easy win on a small issue. Small issue should mean little push back and I could claim a small moral victory. Of course, a Sgt getting a call from his boss asking why is something so small getting us noticed in the wrong way could backfire on me.

There shall be no conditions or requirements added to the form or content of the application, or required by the licensing authority for the issuance of a permit or identification card, other than those that are specifically set forth in this chapter.

 

I see the envelope issue as trivial. It is not material to the application itself; it is not an addition to the form and does not affect the content of the application.

 

There are bigger battles to fight.

Nothing is trivial. Just like the old saying goes, you give them an inch, they will take a mile. Granted they have already took miles, but it is the principle behind it. No battle against tyranny should go unfought.