So I see that some people request for 4+ handgun permits. Why apply for more than 3 if you can only buy 1 every 30 days and the permits only last 90 days? Is it easier to apply for a permit extension?

 

The process in my town seems to require quite a few forms including a Request for Criminal History Record Information and a Mental Health Records Search on top of the standard Handgun Purchase Permit form. I have to pay an additional for the Criminal History Record check with every permit request. I did the Crimnal History Record and Mental Health Record about 4 months ago.

 

I notice that quite a few of you are collectors (or buying a new toy every 30 days). Do you guys just keep submitting new requests every 90 days? Would it be better to apply for 6 permits and renew them after 90 days if you plan on buying one a month?

 

I doubt I would really buy that many but there are at least 4-5 that I want. If I can find a good deal on something gently used, I would immediately get it but would need a permit handy.

If you apply for and get approved for the exemption you could theoretically purchase an entire handgun collection, but you'd still need a PP for each.

 

ETA: Also, because you can

I'll answer the questions inline below, not because I'm trying to be a jerk, but because it's easier.

 

So I see that some people request for 4+ handgun permits. Why apply for more than 3 if you can only buy 1 every 30 days and the permits only last 90 days? Is it easier to apply for a permit extension?

 

Theoretically, you could apply for and use up to 7 permits at a time without having to apply for an OGAM exemption. Your first 4 permits are good for 90 days and would not need to be extended. Permits 5, 6 and 7 would need to be extended by your local PD. Getting an extension depends on the department. It can be as easy as making an appointment, stopping by and getting the extension signed, some PD's require an additional form or written request. Other PD's don't "do" extensions. So, it's town-specific.

 

The process in my town seems to require quite a few forms including a Request for Criminal History Record Information and a Mental Health Records Search on top of the standard Handgun Purchase Permit form. I have to pay an additional for the Criminal History Record check with every permit request. I did the Crimnal History Record and Mental Health Record about 4 months ago.

 

Additional requirements beyond the two standard Mental Health and FID/Permit application are specifically against the law (though many PD's require a "subsequent criminal history check" form.). If your town requires additional permits or steps, contact the NJ2AS (www.nj2as.org, they're also on this forum), and they can very quickly help to sort things out with your town. From what I've heard, there is a "rule" somewhere that says you don't have to get another criminal history check if you've had one done within the past 6 months. Again, it depends on which PD you're dealing with.

 

I notice that quite a few of you are collectors (or buying a new toy every 30 days). Do you guys just keep submitting new requests every 90 days? Would it be better to apply for 6 permits and renew them after 90 days if you plan on buying one a month?

 

Many forum members constantly have PPP's on-hand in case a good deal pops up. It's routine for them to request permits twice a year and extend them to the full 180 days. It's WAY better than relying on your local PD to process a PPP in a timely fashion.

 

I doubt I would really buy that many but there are at least 4-5 that I want. If I can find a good deal on something gently used, I would immediately get it but would need a permit handy.

 

See above, the criminal check is $18 and each permit is only $2. If you can get them extended, then it only costs you $36 per year, plust cost of permits to practice your specifically-enumerated, Constitutional right.....<yakov schmirnov> what a country </yakov>

 

Hope this helps.

You can't use 4 within first 90 days. Since it's one gun per 30 day period you can only use 3. And then with extension another 3 for a total of 6 (unless you use exemption).

You can't use 4 within first 90 days. Since it's one gun per 30 day period you can only use 3. And then with extension another 3 for a total of 6 (unless you use exemption).

 

Actually, you could almost use four in the first 90 days if you make your first purchase on day one, your next on day 31, your third on day 61, then your fourth would be on day 91. Your greater point is correct, though, that you still can only fit in six purchases within the 180 days (with the extension).

The SBI-212A - Non-criminal background check ($18) is required for each STS-033 Application submitted - except initially, when fingerprinting is done. Those departments that are waiving the 212A, if one has been done recently, are the ones in violation - not those that require it (it's actually not the PD requiring it, but the state).

 

Once you have been fingerprinted, any subsequent submission of a STS-033 requires the application itself, the Mental Health check (form SB 66) and the Non-criminal background check (form SBI-212A). The application and mental health check form are downloadable from the NJSP website. You can only obtain form 212A (which is yellow) from your local PD.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

They can not limit you to the amount of purchase permits you apply for. Obviously, if you are not applying for the exemption to OGAM, it wouldn't be worthwhile to apply for more than 6. You can use the first 3 within 90 days, get the next 3 extended (if your town will extend them, they don't have to), which will let you have 6 permits to use within 180 days of receiving them. I decided to simply apply for them from now-on and have them at my ready in case something comes around that I want to get. At worst I throw-away a few $$, but less than it costs for a meal at a good restruant.

 

PS: Not all police departments know about the exemption and how it works. I gave my local PD a copy of the Letter To The Cheif so they could learn how it works.

Thanks for the info. This was very helpful. It is just setting up an appointment to meet with the detective is tough as I usually need to get into the office early and get home late. The detective usually comes in pretty early himself but I still wind up late for work to meet with him. I'm not necessarily looking to buy every handgun out there but I'd like to have one or two handy. I think I'll follow BRaptor's advice and get 2 every six months and then get an extension if I do not use it. The permits are terribly expensive at $2 each. I will also confirm the policy on extensions with the detective when I meet him on Friday.

 

Just out of curiosity, how do you apply for an exemption? It looks like you need to prove that you are a collector, a licensed firearms dealer or sportsman (or sportswoman).

Simple, just download and fill-out SP015 and SP016 from the NJSP website. You need to have a valid reason, Collector is one, Competition is another, there are more, but those are the most common.

 

I got my permits first, then did the Exemption paperwork second. Seems like you can do it all at the same time also. Check with your local PD and see what they would want you to do, or ask someone like Paul at Arms-N-Ammo (PK90) on here how he does it, I am sure he will know.

Actually, you could almost use four in the first 90 days if you make your first purchase on day one, your next on day 31, your third on day 61, then your fourth would be on day 91. Your greater point is correct, though, that you still can only fit in six purchases within the 180 days (with the extension).

 

Problem is that's not how it works. It's not one gun every thirty days, it's thirty days BETWEEN purchases.

 

Your first purchase is on day 1 with permit one

your next eligible purchase is on day 31, permit 2

then day 62 permit 3

then day 93 permit 4 (oops - got to extend permits 4,5 &6)

then day 124 permit 5

then day 155 permit 6

then day 186 (oops - that 7th permit is expired)

N.J.S.2C:58-2; (7) - A dealer shall not knowingly deliver more than one handgun to any person within any 30-day period.

(Full text http://www.njleg.sta...000/1774_I1.HTM)

 

It's a 30d period, so the day of purchase is included, and for 29 days after that, you can't purchase. I think it would be Day 1, Day 31, Day 61, Day 91, Day 121, Day 151. The seventh would still fall under Day 181 at its earliest so the max 6 usable permits still makes sense. Even if you could get away with a purchase on Day 181, the schedule may not work out logistically as the issue date might not agree with the actual date you receive your permits, or you may not be able to process one purchase exactly 30 days after your previous one (gun store/FFL is closed, NICS is down, etc.).

N.J.S.2C:58-2; (7) - A dealer shall not knowingly deliver more than one handgun to any person within any 30-day period.

(Full text http://www.njleg.sta...000/1774_I1.HTM)

 

It's a 30d period, so the day of purchase is inclused, and for 29 days after that, you can't purchase.

 

No, day one of the 30 day period is the day after you have taken possession. You may purchase again on day thirty-one - thus having a thirty day period between purchases. This has been discussed ad nauseum.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

No, day one of the 30 day period is the day after you have taken possession. You may purchase again on day thirty-one - thus having a thirty day period between purchases. This has been discussed ad nauseum.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

Exactly. Nothing however prevents you from submitting another application for additional permits while you still have permits in your hand... IE if your town takes 60 days to process permits, you could apply on day 120 and by the time day 180 rolls around you would have another set of permits.

Not sure I follow - you're saying that you have to have 30 days between purchases, which excludes the day you purchase the pistol? Wouldn't that mean if you purchased on Day 1, you had to wait another 30 days before making your next purchase on Day 32?

 

That's different from how the statute reads, unless I'm completely misinterpreting it.

You don't purchase on day 1, day 1 is the day after you take possession.

Not sure I follow - you're saying that you have to have 30 days between purchases, which excludes the day you purchase the pistol? Wouldn't that mean if you purchased on Day 1, you had to wait another 30 days before making your next purchase on Day 32?

 

That's different from how the statute reads, unless I'm completely misinterpreting it.

 

The day you buy a handgun you don't count, you start your count on the following day, that day #1, on Day 30 you can purchase another and start that cycle all over again.

The day you buy a handgun you don't count, you start your count on the following day, that day #1, on Day 30 you can purchase another and start that cycle all over again.

 

Okay got it! Sorry for being thick skulled, I just don't wanna break the law by being overeager and not knowing how to count

Okay got it! Sorry for being thick skulled, I just don't wanna break the law by being overeager and not knowing how to count

 

Better safe than sorry they say. No problem, there are some FFL's that still thing they need to add in the 3 day grace period for some reason but lets not open up that can of worms. Let alone people who took the OGA MONTH literally and had problems in short months like this month.

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You don't purchase on day 1, day 1 is the day after you take possession.

day 1 is the day the chief signs it, last time I got mine they were already 2 days old.

day 1 is the day the chief signs it, last time I got mine they were already 2 days old.

We're talking about two different things...

 

ME (and everyone else in the last 5 posts) - How to calculate 30 days between handgun purchases to comply with OGAM

 

YOU - How long until the permit expires.