Just wondering if it might be a good idea to see if the NJ2AS being they are running a compliance thread to maybe start a new one for P2P's and the lack of compliance in different towns limiting them.

 

As we all know, there is no limit. Also many folks when confronted with this non compliance in their town, there are many that feel the if they were to bring the "Letter to the Chief" they might not get the same attention, or they PD will drag their feet on their permits.

 

What I am wondering is if a new thread might be in order for people to post that their town in the past hasn't been doing it right and maybe the NJ2AS could intervene and send out the 6 page letter directly to the towns Chief and Firearms division to educate them.

 

This way the the town get notification of the proper procedures, and the people in the town who are applying don't feel like they may be singled out and not processed in a timely manner.

 

So what do you think, good idea, worth pursuing?

It's not a bad idea, but I think people should show some intestinal fortitude and deliver the letter themselves. We should stand up for our own rights instead of just having organization sending letters for us.

It's not a bad idea, but I think people should show some intestinal fortitude and deliver the letter themselves. We should stand up for our own rights instead of just having organization sending letters for us.

 

Oh, I agree, however A cover letter with the "origional Letter to the Chif" and NJ2AS a group that's fighting for our rights already would get a little more exposure with each of the PD's and maybe work out to be 2 fold, better compliance, and make the name and presents of the NJ2AS greater and more wide spread..

It's not a bad idea, but I think people should show some intestinal fortitude and deliver the letter themselves. We should stand up for our own rights instead of just having organization sending letters for us.

 

That sad fact is individuals get ignored unless they have deep pockets or connections, organizations are just more effective.

That sad fact is individuals get ignored unless they have deep pockets or connections, organizations are just more effective.

 

That is true, but a steady stream of individuals clamoring for their rights is harder to ignore. If every person that went into the police department for gun permits demanded their rights, then contacted their police chief, then their mayor, then their assembymen, then their state senator, I believe we would find things changing quickly in our favor.

An organization has resources and can make a town do something because it worries about losing money in lawsuits.

Two different approaches. I believe that in the long term, individuals standing up for themselves will enact more permanent change. Just my opinion.

I think you are misunderstanding the nature of these organizations. This is a bunch of individuals who got together for a common cause to effect change. Instead of a bunch of people wondering in by themselves they got organized to effect change in a real way. Without organization a bunch of individuals is just an annoyance that can be dealt with one at a time and quietly.

 

1000 people coming in and being annoying over the course of a year will never be as effective as those same 1000 people showing up on your doorstep at the same time demanding their rights.

I think you are misunderstanding the nature of these organizations. This is a bunch of individuals who got together for a common cause to effect change. Instead of a bunch of people wondering in by themselves they got organized to effect change in a real way. Without organization a bunch of individuals is just an annoyance that can be dealt with one at a time and quietly.

 

1000 people coming in and being annoying over the course of a year will never be as effective as those same 1000 people showing up on your doorstep at the same time demanding their rights.

 

I probably did not get my point across as well as I should've. I do see your point and do understand that organizing is effective. I just think there are a lot of organizations that are one man shows that try to make it seem as though they represent a lot of people when they don't. I am not rejecting the idea of being in an organization. Rather I am trying to say that letting the organization always be the agent to interact with towns is not optimal. Taking actions as individuals, while acting within a group's goals, seems like the best way to get across the notion that we are many, and not just one of those single issue groups without much popular backing.