http://www.chuckhawks.com/smith-wesson_dark.htm

 

 

Good article. Some people wont be happy.

I like the M&P series and have owned a 5906 and a 908 and never had any problems with them, however they arent in the family any more.

I'm not really a fanatic of any particular brand. Heck, I am considering a Hi-Point!

 

Looks like this guy has a chip on his shoulder though. You would think that if S&W was as bad as he claims, they'd be out of business from all the unhappy customers.

Nooooo, no bias there. Looks like a libel case waiting to happen. OTOH, like S&W would notice a Chuck Hawks.

Hi-Point I cant do. I had the Carbine though and liked that, now Kel-Tec. I kinda dig em. Dont know why.

This "article" if you want to call it is nothing more than a rant.

 

Yes, gun companies have issues, and they all take other designs and innovate off of them. There is only so much innovation that can be done.

Yes, S&W puts out some products that had issues and those issues were taken care of. I had 100% ratio of issues to guns. (1911 shipped with 45 acp mags instead of 9mm, 22a had a recall), but all were promptly corrected.

 

The rest is nothing but rants.

 

Almost any member here can write a better story or opinion about any company.

As far as "lack of innovation" goes, using the 1911 was a poor example as there are literally dozens of knock offs from Ruger to Ed Brown. Seems to me gun manufacturers have been copying each other and refining each others designs for many decades.

 

 

I didn't know Chuck Hawks' website had a firearms section. I remember sending a link to his website to one of my nephews who was looking to get a motorcycle and wanted a 750cc super sport as his first bike. Chucks website (and me) talked some good sense into him and he got a 250cc Ninja instead. (probably saving him from injury and maybe even death)

Nothing new, every production co has this problem.. I am betting those parts were marginal and were used to make up an order and they would deal with it later..if a problem arrived.

Yeah, the M&P polymer guns are junk.

Chuck is pretty opinionated. And a lot of folks read his stuff, even the rants. There are some truths to his arguments here. But those same arguments could be put to any maker, past and present. I've shot some of their early semi-automatics, and never cared for them. Know nothing of their new designs or "copied" works. I think their revolvers are great, don't care for the new ones with that lock on the side or use of powdered metal parts. I think their M41 .22 rimfire is a gem. The early ones were put together like a Swiss watch. Ditto for their M52 .38 Spcl. wadcutter, probably one of the most accurate center fire pistols I've ever shot. I think Chuck's biggest gripe deep down is that things just aren't made the way they used to be.

Chuck is pretty opinionated. And a lot of folks read his stuff, even the rants. There are some truths to his arguments here. But those same arguments could be put to any maker, past and present. I've shot some of their early semi-automatics, and never cared for them. Know nothing of their new designs or "copied" works. I think their revolvers are great, don't care for the new ones with that lock on the side or use of powdered metal parts. I think their M41 .22 rimfire is a gem. The early ones were put together like a Swiss watch. Ditto for their M52 .38 Spcl. wadcutter, probably one of the most accurate center fire pistols I've ever shot. I think Chuck's biggest gripe deep down is that things just aren't made the way they used to be.

 

+1 Parker!

 

You took the words right outta my mouth, especially about the early S&W 9's which couldn't hit the broad side of a barn! A friend let me shoot his and at 15 yards we couldn't hit paper, so he sold the gun! I don't like the BS lock on the side of the revolvers either.

 

I have a friend (through the interenet--never did meet him) by the name of Paul Vallandingham of Champaign, IL. Paul has written for Chuck for several years about Flintlocks & other black powder topics. Paul is always considered to be a well-known entity in the black powder community and would never associate himself with a wacko. Chuck must have been on a rant looking for the way things "used to be", as you describe!

This "article" if you want to call it is nothing more than a rant.

 

Yes, gun companies have issues, and they all take other designs and innovate off of them. There is only so much innovation that can be done.

Yes, S&W puts out some products that had issues and those issues were taken care of. I had 100% ratio of issues to guns. (1911 shipped with 45 acp mags instead of 9mm, 22a had a recall), but all were promptly corrected.

 

The rest is nothing but rants.

 

Almost any member here can write a better story or opinion about any company.

 

And you sold the 45 mags at a profit.

That page is almost as old as the internet. If S&W hasn't done anything about it in the 5+ years it was online, I doubt they care much.

I read that article a year or two ago. Still bought 4 Smiths.