February 21, 201214 yr http://www.officer.c...like-a-bean-bag Looks like a useful tool to me if a department wanted to keep a less-lethal device separate from the full-size shotgun. (it also looks cool) The interesting thing, though, is that you can still load lethal 12ga shells in it. Doesn't that almost defeat the purpose? They suggest it could be useful for civilians... except it's a short-barreled shotgun. Good luck buying one here.
February 21, 201214 yr Actually, under NJ law it's a handgun, not a shotgun, so there is no reason I can see for it to be illegal. What is the difference between this and a 45LC/.410 revolver? 2C:39-1 Definitions k."Handgun" means any pistol, revolver or other firearm originally designed or manufactured to be fired by the use of a single hand. n."Shotgun" means any firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder and using the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shots or a single projectile for each pull of the trigger, or any firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder which does not fire fixed ammunition.
February 21, 201214 yr Actually, under NJ law it's a handgun, not a shotgun, so there is no reason I can see for it to be illegal. What is the difference between this and a 45LC/.410 revolver? [/size][/font] The revolver has rifling. This would be a destructive device.
February 21, 201214 yr I definitely want one. Is it odd that I want to get tagged by a Bean bag round to see how it feels. I know it won't feel good
February 21, 201214 yr The revolver has rifling. This would be a destructive device. 2C:39-1 Definitions c."Destructive device" means any device, instrument or object designed to explode or produce uncontrolled combustion, including (1) any explosive or incendiary bomb, mine or grenade; (2) any rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces or any missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter of an ounce; (3) any weapon capable of firing a projectile of a caliber greater than 60 caliber, except a shotgun or shotgun ammunition generally recognized as suitable for sporting purposes; (4) any Molotov cocktail or other device consisting of a breakable container containing flammable liquid and having a wick or similar device capable of being ignited. The term does not include any device manufactured for the purpose of illumination, distress signaling, line-throwing, safety or similar purposes. Would that not exempt it as it is designed to fire shotgun ammunition?
February 21, 201214 yr Would that not exempt it as it is designed to fire shotgun ammunition? Interesting, that excludes shotgun ammunition (for sporting purposes). Until that weapon is modified so it will not be able to fire a normal shot shells, leave it to NJ's AG to find a way to make this illegal for us folks.
February 24, 201214 yr Actually, under NJ law it's a handgun, not a shotgun, so there is no reason I can see for it to be illegal. What is the difference between this and a 45LC/.410 revolver? [/size][/font] it is smoothbore therefore its an AOW (Any Other Weapon) Acording to the ATF. AOW's are NFA weapons and NOT NJ legal.. Also at $650.00 it's AWFULLY expensive
February 24, 201214 yr pass If it can't put someone 6 feet under then what good is it? 2 shots and he's still coming, HELP ME! 12 gauge, PLEASE!
February 24, 201214 yr it is smoothbore therefore its an AOW (Any Other Weapon) Acording to the ATF. AOW's are NFA weapons and NOT NJ legal.. Also at $650.00 it's AWFULLY expensive The NJSA definition of handgun does not mention rifling at all. It is a firearm, that fires shotgun ammunition designed for sporting purposes, designed to be fired from a single hand, under NJ law, it is a handgun. Also, I see nothing in 2C:39-3 prohibiting AOWs.
February 24, 201214 yr not to over simplify.. but as far as I know (and I could be wrong) using lethal OR less lethal is moot and it is deadly force either way.. so why not utilize a weapon that will without question stop the attacker..
February 24, 201214 yr Would that not exempt it as it is designed to fire shotgun ammunition? Less-Lethal ammunition is not for a "Sporting Purpose" and the manufacturer specifically states that standard 12Ga ammunition is not to be fired from it, in fact is is clearly marked "Less Lethal Only". As i stated before in MY OPINION there is no way this would be NJ-legal..however if YOU want to roll the dice on it..go right ahead, If you can FIND a Class III dealer that will sell it to you more power to you. File your AOW paperwork and have a ball.
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