Keep in mind, I have heard these may not be legal in NJ. Do your homework, I have no idea.

 

I finally got to try one.

 

My range trip was blown up this weekend by weather and a couple of the remaining members decided to get together on some private property. I didn't know it was coming, but I heard some FA from a guy I know doesn't have an M16 and I looked over and saw Slidefire. Oh baby, I've been waiting for this. I know people with MGs that say it kicks butt so I gotta try it.

 

It kicks a**. If I didn't have an M16, I'd be all over it for $300. The way things stand, I'll buy it anyway when it gets down to $100. Currently I can't justify the price of a gun ($300) for it.

 

How controllable? I don't think most people are going to be able to viscerally understand what I am about to describe. Most people never learn how to shoot personal arms full auto. 99% of people in the military that have thousands of rounds under their belts through personal arms set on auto have no idea how to shoot full auto. They say they know everything about it but I can teach a person that never even fired a gun to kick their a** in 1 hour with 200 rounds. It's kind of funny how simple and yet elluding the skill seems.

 

If you know how to shoot FA, Slidefire will hit your targets with a lower percentage of rounds than a true FA. If you don't truly know how to shoot FA, you will hit your targets with way more ease than with true FA. The Slidefire requires no skill or familiarity to put automatic fire in a very narrow cone downrange. Even if you don't know what you are doing, and do it all wrong, Slidefire won't walk on you.

 

I only dumped one mag and it was flawless. The guy with the slidefire was dumping BETAs over and over and rarely got through one without a couple hicups. Not exactly an M16 for sure. But you can't beat it for $300. Like I said, if and when the price comes down, I'll have one myself.

 

The inventor and patent holder of the original product, the Atkins Accelerator (shut down by ATF after they reversed an approval) says he is putting out an even better product than Slidefire that works with AKs and either does or eventually will work with every other firearm. Or something. I've never seen it and haven't looked into it. Just pointing out that there might be other options.

I hate NJ.

 

The inventor and patent holder of the original product, the Atkins Accelerator (shut down by ATF after they reversed an approval) says he is putting out an even better product than Slidefire that works with AKs and either does or eventually will work with every other firearm. Or something. I've never seen it and haven't looked into it. Just pointing out that there might be other options.

 

Bumpski?

 

 

Bumpski?

 

I'm pretty sure think that's it. Again, I haven't had reason to look into it. All these things cost about the same as a real gun and I have FA already. Going to wait for the dust to settle and the capitol costs to be paid off by the early adopters that have to stay on the bleeding edge of technology

Man they reversed an approval, that sucks. Probably cause they realized it worked way too well, haha.

Man they reversed an approval, that sucks. Probably cause they realized it worked way too well, haha.

 

They've done it several times. I almost bought a $4,000 belt fed upper for the M16 by BRP Corp. acouple years ago. They sold probably a hundred of them over about 2 years after the ATF approved in writing the sample they shipped to the ATF for technical evaluation.

 

Overturned, company forced to turn over client list, parts seized, no compensation. I'd be out $4K right now and they probably would have shot my dog for good measure.

 

ATF does this over and over and over.

They've done it several times. I almost bought a $4,000 belt fed upper for the M16 by BRP Corp. acouple years ago. They sold probably a hundred of them over about 2 years after the ATF approved in writing the sample they shipped to the ATF for technical evaluation.

 

Overturned, company forced to turn over client list, parts seized, no compensation. I'd be out $4K right now and they probably would have shot my dog for good measure.

 

ATF does this over and over and over.

 

I remember that one...IIRC the prototype they sent to the Tech Branch fired closed-bolt, but the ones they actually shipped ended up as Open Bolt, or some such. Kind of like the Akins He' denies it left and right, he's even bee HERE once when his stock was brought up, NOT to give ATF a pass (and i'm not) but there was a LOT more to that than just them sending off the letter after a bunch were sold..it gets really involved.

So the Slidefire is now illegal?

So the Slidefire is now illegal?

 

IMO..it never WAS "Legal" here in NJ...in MY opinion its very construction makes it a "Collapsible" stock under NJAC since it "Telescopes" by moving in and out. However I am not an Attorney. All I know is that I absolutely Refuse to run that risk in NJ.

 

 

I remember that one...IIRC the prototype they sent to the Tech Branch fired closed-bolt, but the ones they actually shipped ended up as Open Bolt, or some such.

 

I have never heard that anywhere. And I was sorta in that loop, although I do not personally know anybody at the company. I read the letter from the ATF explaining why it was a post-86. A lot of people would be very interested in hearing more about this. If you dig something up, please let me know. Thanks

I have never heard that anywhere. And I was sorta in that loop, although I do not personally know anybody at the company. I read the letter from the ATF explaining why it was a post-86. A lot of people would be very interested in hearing more about this. If you dig something up, please let me know. Thanks

I Could be wrong..the only belt-fed conversions i really remembered was the Ares kits that just never really materialized, and Ceiner's..There was another ATF letter that had to do with Open Bolt as opposed to closed bolt, other than the mac 10/11's that were grandfathered, i assumed that was it...What was ATF's reasoning for it being a Post-86 if it was just an Upper?? Now you have my curiosity piqued..i'd lime to know the difference between those and the Ares models

Ares Shrike are being delivered to civilian customers in bursts now. Certainly not in quantity. If you want one, you can get one. They aint the $1500 or whatever advertised in 1995 or whatever, but you can always find one for about $5K on Gunbroker (only about $1K over current retail).

 

Yes, some open bolt semi SWD M11s were grandfathered. I saw one in an NJ gun shop for $800 during the 80s. Next to a closed bolt for $350. Current value: $800 LOL. But collectors still like them, I guess just not enough to pay a lot for them. I have an SWD M11/9 open bolt but mine is FA. With GEMTECH Viper suppressor, it's so sick it's a little scary. Ask Devil's Advocate

 

The letter for the BRP used to be on their website. It probably still is, I didn't check. If not, it should still be very easy to find with a web search. I'm really going out on a limb here trying to do this from memory, but I think the issue was recoil spring on the upper. ATF does not like recoil spring and a feed device on a part to be used for FA. Agian, I could be wrong. I don't even want to go back and look.

Ares Shrike are being delivered to civilian customers in bursts now. Certainly not in quantity. If you want one, you can get one. They aint the $1500 or whatever advertised in 1995 or whatever, but you can always find one for about $5K on Gunbroker (only about $1K over current retail).

 

Yes, some open bolt semi SWD M11s were grandfathered. I saw one in an NJ gun shop for $800 during the 80s. Next to a closed bolt for $350. Current value: $800 LOL. But collectors still like them, I guess just not enough to pay a lot for them. I have an SWD M11/9 open bolt but mine is FA. With GEMTECH Viper suppressor, it's so sick it's a little scary.

 

The letter for the BRP used to be on their website. It probably still is, I didn't check. If not, it should still be very easy to find with a web search. I'm really going out on a limb here trying to do this from memory, but I think the issue was recoil spring on the upper. ATF does not like recoil spring and a feed device on a part to be used for FA. Agian, I could be wrong. I don't even want to go back and look.

 

Ok, that actually makes sense then..to a certain degree..at least they are consistant with it..if you recall it was the Spring that they determined to be the issue with the Akins stock as well.

 

 

Ok, that actually makes sense then..to a certain degree..at least they are consistant with it..if you recall it was the Spring that they determined to be the issue with the Akins stock as well.

 

It's a little different.

 

Their issue with the Atkins spring is that they decided it caused the Title I firearm to fire more than one round automatically with a single pull of the trigger.

 

They clearly have an issue with recoil spring and feed device on the same part. They have never come out and said it, but every SOT knows it because everybody has seen the rulings. Their problem with recoil spring and feed device on the same part (such as an upper) is that they can find a way to jigger-rig it to fire FA without a separate, registered FA part (such as a RR lower). They have gone to GREAT lengths to prove this, some of the photos they have taken of their tests are hillarious. Weapons chained to cinderblocks with parts modified and 2x4s clamped in place and the whole thing moved back up against a wall to close off the open rear of the receiver, with sandbags and cinderblocks holding the table in place. Yeah, talk about taking a menace to society off the street. It's obviously more simple and effective to make a real machinegun.

Have one, and it has emptied my pockets while a day at the range all to often. - In Texas of course.

 

If the rifle is a NJ legal brand, a pinned compensator, and fixed mag ( non ejectable mag of less than 15 rounds) - I haven't seen anywhere that has stated bump fire or ATF approved bumpfire devices are illegal in NJ. I would count on NJ intelligence of law makers saying it is an adjustable stock because it moves back an forth.

 

By these measures it would be legal correct? or have I missed something somewhere?

 

just trying to determine if I can or should bring mine when I move there.

Have one, and it has emptied my pockets while a day at the range all to often. - In Texas of course.

 

If the rifle is a NJ legal brand, a pinned compensator, and fixed mag ( non ejectable mag of less than 15 rounds) - I haven't seen anywhere that has stated bump fire or ATF approved bumpfire devices are illegal in NJ. I would count on NJ intelligence of law makers saying it is an adjustable stock because it moves back an forth.

 

By these measures it would be legal correct? or have I missed something somewhere?

 

just trying to determine if I can or should bring mine when I move there.

 

The legality of it will be questioned by any LEO you come across. Also, there are no ranges in this state where you will not be questioned about F/A fire, be it via bump-fire or true F/A. Even the thumb in the belt loop bump-fire will put you under suspicion.

 

Also, you mention a "non-ejectable mag" as a way around an evil feature, through the use of a bullet-button I would assume. This may fly in CA as their laws are written differently, but NJ's laws state "...capable of accepting a detachable magazine". A bullet-button type device will not fly here, since the second the mag is removed, you have a gun that is capable of accepting a detachable magazine.

jOn - right on. Sorting through the laws and understanding them pretty well. I will play it more on the safe side and leave it back in Texas. At lease now I can get rid of my bullet buttons with the switch to a pinned stock. and pinned compensator, not flash suppressor.

 

Or could I pin the slide fire to make it a pinned stock making incapable of bump fire? I just hate leaving stuff with parents or relatives. Not their responsibility to look after.

jOn - right on. Sorting through the laws and understanding them pretty well. I will play it more on the safe side and leave it back in Texas. At lease now I can get rid of my bullet buttons with the switch to a pinned stock.

 

Or could I pin the slide fire to make it a pinned stock making incapable of bump fire? I just hate leaving stuff with parents or relatives. Not their responsibility to look after.

 

I'd personally sell it if I didn't want to leave it with relatives.