so ive been enjoying my new cz 550 safari in .375 h&h, trying new loads and all. the gun loads, fires, extracts fine, looks stunning, and is a joy to shoot..except, when i load the magazine full, all the bullets obviously are smaking the front of the mag and either pushing the bullet in the case, or squashing the exposed lead tip. from what ive read and researched, this is common on magum rifles. well, it sucks in my book. there has to be a fix for this. im thinking, maybe a soft pad on the front end of the mag, maybe something to hold the bullets in place on the shoulder in the mag. im surprised something like this isnt built into the rifle, as its an obvious problem with magnums and the gun was dang expensive. has anyone developed a fix for this???....some ideas please

Since the case headspaces on the belt, it would be acceptable to roll crimp the case mouth into the cannelure (providing it has one). Don't go overboard because you could slightly bulge the neck and not be able to chamber the round at all.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

but there is still the problem of a smashed lead tip, definitely affecting accuracy...as it mushrooms.

I know nothing about this type of rifle/round (other than i want one), but what range and type of accuracy are you looking to get, and have you tested if the dimpled bullet does cause a decrease in accuracy? It could just be cosmetic damage perhaps?

 

Otherwise, You could always go with a non-lead exposed bullet like Hornady DGS or Barnes solids.

 

Got pics?

range and accuracy are'nt much of the issue.... its the deforming/pushing in of the bullet, common to the magnum cartridges... accuracy

and trajectory are very good if the last few bullets arent deformed

im trying to figure a fix to keep the bullets in place...my savage 30-06 has a detachable box mag that cradles the round at the shoulder to keep it in place... the cz 550 has a hinged floorplate that doesnt do much but stack the rounds on top of eachother

it seems to me that any irregularity in the point will cause some sort of accuracy issues... definitely 200 yards and beyond...

Since the case headspaces on the belt, it would be acceptable to roll crimp the case mouth into the cannelure (providing it has one). Don't go overboard because you could slightly bulge the neck and not be able to chamber the round at all.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

Bob's suggestion would help.

 

Are the bullet tips damaged upon recoil or from feeding? The CZ box is pretty generous in length and depth. I have seen Mauser actions with "stops" epoxied to the inside of the magazine box that would rest against the case shoulder, to hold the bottom rounds captive.

they are definitely on recoil, as they havent even been fed yet. crimping will solve the bullet pushing in, but ill stil have mushroomed tips. i'd like to see some of those "stops" so i can get an idea of how to keep the rounds in place

Just a shot in the dark....Is the magazine follower symetrical? Could it be reversed? Is the follower maybe designed to hold the round to the rear of the magazine.

 

If I'm off base I apologize.

You're supposed to be using solids in an H&H anyway Does anyone make ballistic tipped bullets in that diameter - cushion on the bullet, not the mag.

I don't have pictures of the stops in the magazine box. I will try to get you pictures of my buddy's .30-06 and will post them up within a couple days.

 

The Speer Grand Slam has a protected tip, yet has a pretty good B.C. of .354 - http://www.speer-bul...ail.aspx?id=123

 

Hornady DGX has a flat exposed lead meplat. This thing shouldn't deform/mushroom in the magazine, only on the target. The DGS bullet is basically a flatpoint FMJ, if that deforms in your magazine, its because something exploded that shouldn't have. Good crimp on the crimp band + proper flat point bullet and you shouldn't have any issues. I guess with this rifle you have to treat it like a big bore levergun and use flat point type bullets. If you want to shoot pointy stuff, I'd use it as a single shot.

 

Just FYI, Nosler makes a 260 gr ballistic tip bullet. I relly didn't look much further than that, but there may be others out there.

it seems to me that any irregularity in the point will cause some sort of accuracy issues... definitely 200 yards and beyond...

if you are shooting .375 H&H at THAT range, you are doing something wrong...it's not MEANT to be a long-range round, it's meant to take dangerous game at close (Under 100 yards down to "Contact') range. A much bigger problem with .375 H&H and the like is the fact that the recoil can start setting the bullets farther back in the case, compressing the powder, and causing pressure spikes.

A much bigger problem with .375 H&H and the like is the fact that the recoil can start setting the bullets farther back in the case, compressing the powder, and causing pressure spikes.

 

Which brings us full circle, right back to post #1 in this thread

if you are shooting .375 H&H at THAT range, you are doing something wrong...it's not MEANT to be a long-range round, it's meant to take dangerous game at close (Under 100 yards down to "Contact') range.

True, it's an excellent close-range round for dangerous game, but a .375 H&H also possesses the ability to shoot relatively flat with a properly designed bullet. My friend took a moose in Alaska last fall at a bit over 300 yds. with an old M70 chambered in .375 H&H. With a 200 yd. zero, the 300 gr. Nosler Partition he was using dropped about 10 inches more at the 300 yd. mark, yet retained almost 2,500 ft./lbs. of energy at that range. It's a potent long-range round. Not lazer-like trajectory compared to other bullet diameters, but pretty effective and efficient for its bore size.

 

Hornady's 300 gr. BTSP Interlock with its B.C. of .460:

http://www.hornady.c...utton=Calculate

i guess a non-soft point or ballistic tip, and a light crimp makes sense in solving both problems without modifications. i just never liked the idea of crimping...

since im sure i cant find the variety of bullets close by here for that caliber... it looks like i have another justifiable reason to take a trip to cabelas!!!! i love finding reasons to take the two hour ride there!..... geez i need a GF

I think if you peruse the catalogs, most bullets in this caliber employ a cannelure for crimping. Sierra may by one that doesn't though.

i guess a non-soft point or ballistic tip, and a light crimp makes sense in solving both problems without modifications. i just never liked the idea of crimping...

 

You'd better learn to...recoil WILL set your bullets back into the case... .375 bullets have a Cannelure for a reason.

the 300 gr hornady soft point boat tails i bought dont have a cannelure. the 270 gr's do. i still hope i can come across something that can act as a stop. there is a generous space in front of the magazine i can put some sort of pad to soften the blow. i want to find a good material thay can easily be removed for cleaning, strong enough to hold up, soft enough to cushion.

i was contemplating buying the same rifle for the mere fact of shooting it for fun.... i have not shot that round yet and would love to.. how much more does it kick then a .30-06?

i kicks just a bit more... id say its between the 30-06 and a 12 guage with 3 1/2 magnum buck shot.

what range do you usually shoot it at? i would pay to shoot it once... range time...ammo...your time.. etc... let me know in pm