So , I just got my 3rd P2P extended ( I am able to pick up my M&P March 30th , it expires 26th ) . I asked about applying for an exemption to OGAM and they said if I needed the gun for a competition or event that might qualify , but that it had to go to State Police to get approved and that would have taken time..I can wait the 2 weeks. I read the other reasons are Estate sales , and collectors.

 

I know of a possible estate sale up by Skylands..so I was wondering two things..1) how do you proceed if you see a collection you want ..i.e who holds the guns while you wait 2) how does one become a legal collector? Is it some kind of blanket exemption where you are designated a collector?

 

This is mostly out of curiosity , since if I buy another handgun before the leaves turn colors, Pete will go plotz. Though he just got a nice new batch of crisp P2Ps himself. If the collection is nice this may apply to him. I do believe it is his turn to buy for a while

Find an FFL that will hold the collection for you until you get the Exemption forms back from the SP. I think I had 7 hanguns at the time when I applied for my Exemption. I had 3 handguns sitting at my FFL's at the time. I waited about 4 weeks for the SP to send the Exemption forms back to my local PD. I went down and got all 3 guns with a single phone call to NICS. I went under the Collector status. I don't know if there is any set amount of handguns you need to own before they will consider you a collector.

Could being a collector possibly be a legal OGAM "loophole"?

You are a collector when you decide you want to start collecting - and that's about it. There is no standard that I'm aware of.

 

If the HG's are out of state, have them sent to an FFL that will hold them for you. If they are instate, see if the seller will hold them for you until you get your approved exemption. Keep in mind you still need a permit for each gun and you will need the serial numbers before you file your exemption.

Could being a collector possibly be a legal OGAM "loophole"?

 

If you download the forms from NJSP for a OGAM exemption, you will see that it states three reasons for the exemption:

 

 

Purchase of multiple handguns from a person who obtained the handguns through inheritance or intestacy.

 

Collector of handguns with a need to purchase or otherwise receive multiple handguns in the same transaction or within a 30-day

period in furtherance of the applicant's collecting activities. "Need" shall include, but not be limited to, situations where there is a

reasonable likelihood that the additional handguns sought to be purchased would not be readily available after the 30-day period,

that it would not be feasible or practical to purchase the handguns separately, or that prohibiting the purchase of more than one

handgun within a 30-day period would have a materially adverse impact on the applicant's ability to enhance his collection. A

"collector" shall include any person who devotes time and attention to acquiring firearms for the enhancement of the person's

collection: as curios; for inheritance; for historical, investment, training and competitive, recreational, educational, scientific, or

defensive purposes; or any or other lawful related purpose.

 

The applicant participates in sanctioned handgun shooting competitions and needs to purchase or otherwise receive multiple

handguns in a single transaction or within a 30-day period, and the need is related to the applicant's competitive shooting

activities, including use in or training for sanctioned competitions.

 

The forms you need to do this are an SP015 and SP016. It helps to have a very cool FFL to help you with this!

A "collector" shall include any person who devotes time and attention to acquiring firearms for the enhancement of the person's

collection: as curios; for inheritance; for historical, investment, training and competitive, recreational, educational, scientific, or

defensive purposes; or any or other lawful related purpose.

 

So basically if you worded you documents correctly, almost anyone could use the collector exemption, if I'm reading that right. Of course the hard thing would be proving to the NJSP, that you are a collector and your need etc.

 

Does anyone have any idea how hard it is to get an exemption approved? Part of me thinks it's as easy as getting a nj ccw permit, the other part they might be fair assuming they don't get many requests.

 

 

So basically if you worded you documents correctly, almost anyone could use the collector exemption, if I'm reading that right. Of course the hard thing would be proving to the NJSP, that you are a collector and your need etc.

 

Does anyone have any idea how hard it is to get an exemption approved? Part of me thinks it's as easy as getting a nj ccw permit, the other part they might be fair assuming they don't get many requests.

 

Not hard at all. You need to submit what guns you are buying, make, serial numbers, etc. You do need to give a written reason as well. I do remember seeing a thread about this with valid reasons a while ago.

I should add that having an FFL who is knowledgable helps. A while back I visited a few shops in South Jersey. While at Rayco Armory, the gentleman behind the counter insisted that exemptions were impossible to get. Later that day I visited PK90's shop Arms and Ammo. We did the paperwork, I sent it in, and two weeks later was granted an exemption to purchase two pistols at once. The reasons I used were that one of the two pistols was no longer made and may not be available, the two pistols were to enhance my collection, and that I was a member of a club.

I had absolutely no problem getting my Exemption as a collector. I don't think the State Police are anywhere near as strict as people think they are. It is the local PD's that cause most people grief. I am lucky in that my local PD is on a six week schedule. A few others are faster, many others are pitifully slower.

I agree that most of the PD's are the weak link. On top of what I have read here, people I have met talk about how their PD only give one or two permits at a time, take months to issue p2p's, etc.

 

I recently spoke with Bob Viden about the NJ insanity that gun owners go through. He stated that it's estimated the NJSP spends $12 million a year on the FID process. Combine that with hours spent by the local PD's labor and state wide it's a ton of money. The whole system is a redundant waste. NICS will catch anyone who is prohibited, and is more accurate than the state system. If you get your permits, get arrested, then go to make a purchase, NICS will catch it. Once again, mommy NJ knows best, so we have to deal with the added processes.

 

Personally, I rather see the NJSP spend $12 million a year on additional resources to get the illegal gun users off the streets instead of make the legal gun owners jump through hoops.

"that it would not be feasible or practical to purchase the handguns separatel" thats good enough reason for anyone in this state to file.

 

If you plan on buying more then 1 gun at a time you can file, because it would not be practical to go back every 30 days. Which leads me to ask... why the fuud do we even bother with the 30 day rule, you just have to plan a little bit ahead...thats all. My PD said if i ever wanted to file an exemption, they would help me file for one, they hate the 30 day rule and p2p's just as much as we do.

Thanks for the info all.

 

After I check out the estate , if anything is good enough to share I'll post

I did this once for 3 handguns. I'm doing it again for 5 to save on NICS. All you need to put on that form is "To further enhance my firearms collection". The NJSP did not give any issues approving it.

So basically if you worded you documents correctly, almost anyone could use the collector exemption, if I'm reading that right. Of course the hard thing would be proving to the NJSP, that you are a collector and your need etc.

 

Does anyone have any idea how hard it is to get an exemption approved? Part of me thinks it's as easy as getting a nj ccw permit, the other part they might be fair assuming they don't get many requests.

 

I've done exemptions numerous times and never had one denied. If you are going to buy guns for a collection, it's almost a guarantee you will be granted the exemption if you read how the law is worded.