Just wondering if this is legal here. Wouldn't surprise me if it's not. Thanks in advance.

That thing is sweet. I need to have one. As to is it legal in NJ, I have no idea. Why not ask the dealer, I would think they would know. Being it is a 22LR, I would think it is legal.

I have a carbine kit on my 10/22. Tried & true platform. Isnt quite %100 but close enough. The tech sights are amazing

 

Buds has them in stock right now http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/280/products_id/411548671/Rifles/HowaLegacy/LEGACY%20CITADEL%20M-1%20CARBINE%20RIFLE%20W/WOOD%20STOCK%20.22LR/

That is nice! hmmmm.. good question on whether its legal in NJ..

I don't see why it would be legal in NJ. It has the same features and attributes as any other run-of-the-mill semi-.22

I want one just as a big F_U to NJ...

So is it legal? I don't see why not it's no different than any other blowback 22.

Don't know, haven't gotten an answer yet.

Might/might not be legal, I think there was a thread on this a few weeks ago, let me find it.

 

even if its legal, finding an ffl to do the transfer on it would be a whole other issue. I wouldn't transfer it at either of the places I work.

 

got it: http://njgunforums.c...-yes-anothe-no/

Edited June 1, 201214 yr by henrym

I personally would avoid anything that said m1 carbine on it

So is it legal? I don't see why not it's no different than any other blowback 22.

 

if it is marked M-1 Carbine, or U.S. Carbine M-1, then there is a GOOD chance that NJSP will determine it to be substantially Identical.....especially since they ruled against a .30 Carbine rifle that was NOT marked like that as being so.

if it is marked M-1 Carbine, or U.S. Carbine M-1, then there is a GOOD chance that NJSP will determine it to be substantially Identical.....especially since they ruled against a .30 Carbine rifle that was NOT marked like that as being so.

 

From what I can see its marked "Citadel M1-22" you can see it in the pics about 1/2 way down the page http://www.rimfirece...t=421735&page=4

 

Found more pics and info here http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_chiappa.html

You can call it a bazooka, but that doesn't make it one. The rifle does not share a single piece with an actual M1...it's not even the same caliber.

 

If a 10/22 is legal, then so is this rifle.

You can call it a bazooka, but that doesn't make it one.

 

According to the NJSP Firearms Unit, yes it does. How it is marketed is what matters.

From New Jersey Administrative Code, Title 13, Law and Public Safety, Chapter 54, Firearms and Weapons

 

13:54-1.2 Definitions

 

"Assault firearms" means:

1. The following firearms:

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M1 carbine type

[cut]

2. Any firearm manufactured under any designation which is substantially identical to any of the firearms listed in

paragraph (1) above.

 

The Citadel Carbine is neither an M1 "type" (different magazine, different firing mechanism, different shape, different features & caliber) nor is it substantially identical. In fact, it's NOT identical at all since you can not take parts from one gun and have them fit or work on the other.

 

This is really just a case of paranoia. It's a friggin' semi-auto .22 caliber rifle.

If I place a Ford Focus engine into a BMW M5, is it still a real BMW?

If I place a Ford Focus engine into a BMW M5, is it still a real BMW?

No, now it's apiece of shit. Why do you ask?

What I find funny is...

 

AR-15's are banned in NJ. S&W M&P-15's are legal, although in all honesty they are the same thing.

 

M1 Carbines are banned in NJ. This .22 has no single part in common with an M1, nor will any part interchange except slings, yet it is questionable.

What I find funny is...

 

AR-15's are banned in NJ. S&W M&P-15's are legal, although in all honesty they are the same thing.

 

M1 Carbines are banned in NJ. This .22 has no single part in common with an M1, nor will any part interchange except slings, yet it is questionable.

 

I find that sad not funny.

You can call it a bazooka, but that doesn't make it one. The rifle does not share a single piece with an actual M1...it's not even the same caliber.

 

If a 10/22 is legal, then so is this rifle.

 

Did you just move to Jersey, or haven't you been paying attention?

 

 

if it is marked M-1 Carbine, or U.S. Carbine M-1, then there is a GOOD chance that NJSP will determine it to be substantially Identical.....especially since they ruled against a .30 Carbine rifle that was NOT marked like that as being so.

 

"Substantially identical" is much more a deciding factor in determining the legality of firearms like the M1 carbine in NJ. I am saying substantially identical in the context of looking similar not how the NJ AW law uses it. The M1 carbine is listed in the law as "M1 carbine type". The law further states the Plainfield and Universal M1s as being illegal. This means that anything that looks like a M1 carbine is illegal. It makes no difference if there is commonality of any parts or what caliber it is. If it looks like a M1 carbine that would make it a M1 carbine type and it would be illegal in NJ.

 

What you call the weapon really is of no consequence. If I manufactured a semi-auto that looked like say a SKS in 30 carbine and came with only 10 rd magazines and called it the Griz M1 I think i'd get away with selling it in NJ.

If it looks like a M1 carbine that would make it a M1 carbine type and it would be illegal in NJ.

 

So your saying if I take a Ruger 10/22 and put it in the stock that makes it look like an M1 carbine it would be illegal? http://www.eabco.com/m1_carbine_ruger_1022_tribute.htm

 

 

So your saying if I take a Ruger 10/22 and put it in the stock that makes it look like an M1 carbine it would be illegal? http://www.eabco.com/m1_carbine_ruger_1022_tribute.htm

 

You're not going to get that 10/22 to really look like a M1 unless you totally redesign the receiver (open vs closed top) and have a magazine protuding from the bottom. If you add evil features from NJ's "substantially identical" list you can make it illegal for sure.

 

Don't do what most people do and mix the list in the law with the substantially identical as listed in the law. Its either on the list or substantially identical is what makes it illegal. It doesn't have to be both. This is why that NJ neutered DPMS A15 is legal and an AR15 is not. The M1 is also the only firearm listted in the law as "M1 carbine type". "Type" is a pretty broad brush. If the law were written "AR15 type" that DPMS would also be illegal. The purpose of the substantially identical was so new guns wouldn't have to be added to the list. ARs get the most slack as far as the law goes as you'd be hard pressed to argue why you need a folding stock, flash surpressor, or bayonet stud for Service Rifle competition.

If I place a Ford Focus engine into a BMW M5, is it still a real BMW?

 

LOL, tell me, would it change your resistration?? NO,, so yea a BMW with a Ford engine is what it would be..

What I find funny is...

 

AR-15's are banned in NJ. S&W M&P-15's are legal, although in all honesty they are the same thing.

 

M1 Carbines are banned in NJ. This .22 has no single part in common with an M1, nor will any part interchange except slings, yet it is questionable.

 

it's not funny because the now former AG planned to push HARD to retroactively ban all previously NJ-Legal AK-type rifles, which is exactly WHY she banned the sale of the Auto-Ordnance M-1 Carbine copy..even though if you take into account the example of the Legal Ar's and AK types, the weapon was marked NO Differently than many Legal Copies of other Named firearms. If she had been given more time she would have used the examples of A-O's "ML" Carbine, and the bam of IO Firearms AK types as reasons to go after ALL AK sales, and start working at AR's as well. While she probably wouldnt have been able to get retro-bans passed, she COULD have managed to stop all sales of new Rifles here, and the legislature would have happily gone along with that and passed it..