May 7, 201214 yr Author lots of nonsense here KISS Keep It Simple Stupid +1 for Ray Ray (that means I agree with him). That is what I wanted to discuss. I wasted so much money because I forgot to keep is simple. Best advice for anyone building their HD platform around a shotgun is KISS!
May 8, 201214 yr I have put more crap on my shotguns that I should write a book! Heatshields, side saddles, collapsible stocks, folding stocks, pistol grips, lasers, lights, shell sleeves, and whatever else I thought was cool at the time. I've pretty much found what works (for me anyway) and rocked with that.
May 8, 201214 yr im learning this myself right now but with ar, im finding i like my stuff stock from factory... just works better that way... Ive done the same.. my latest AR has a MOE hand guard.. with just a light, sling.. and quality red dot.. light and fast.. all my guns are basically the same.. quality red dot.. sling.. flashlight..
May 8, 201214 yr Second-biggest Gimmick: Shell Carriers and Mag Extension. Unless you are preparing to engage in a running firefight through the hallways of your home while your kids huddle behind their beds, 5+1 rounds of 00-buck should be more than sufficient. shell carrier is good for having alternate ammo as backup.. "oh shit wish I had slugs.. well they are right there" you would really find my Saiga 12 excessive.. 12 round drum.. gets it done.. lol
May 8, 201214 yr Author shell carrier is good for having alternate ammo as backup.. "oh shit wish I had slugs.. well they are right there" you would really find my Saiga 12 excessive.. 12 round drum.. gets it done.. lol Lucky you. It must be nice to live in America. When I escape to America, I am getting myself a Bennelli M4
May 8, 201214 yr I have a Mossberg 500 with 18.5" barrel - The ATI AR-style collapsible stock with pistol grip has come in handy for me when we're plinking upstate and there's a bunch of shooters of various sizes and genders. With the standard buttpad I can shoot 2.75" 00 buck all day without discomfort. 3" magnum sluggers tend to hurt the thumb/palm area after about 10 shots but what pistol grip doesn't. In the same plinking scenario the shotshell holder that screws onto the side of the stock is not so handy when alternating use with left handed shooters. I do keep the shotshell holder attached at home to hold extra rounds for self defense use. And I also appreciate being able to shorten the stock all the way for home usage whereas outdoors I shoot with it fully extended. - I also like the ATI heatshield only because it provides a ghost ring which makes me much more accurate at 25 yards. I replaced my original black heatshield with one that matches my marine finish and the front bead is off center a bit on this one. Now I'm shooting a few inches left at 25 yards and there's no real way to adjust that -- the mounting system is very crude. - I have an adjustable padded hunting sling (not sure what brand). I can't imagine lugging this thing around upstate without it
May 8, 201214 yr Maybe I'm just an "old Fudd", OR maybe I've just learned to adapt to the few limitations my short-barreled pump shotgun has, I'm not sure. Many, many years ago my Brother thought he was doing me a favor and gave me a glue-on (to the receiver) shell holder for my pump. I looked at it, then handed it back to him and said, "If I need more than the first 6 in the gun, I'm fighting-off an entire Gang, and will probably loose anyway, so why screw-up the looks and balance of the gun I'm so used to". Later that year I won a Knockdown Steel competition with that same un-altered pump. Putting a kid through 4 years of college I never had the money or time to waste on accessorizing something that worked well to beging with. In my mind, IF you dress-up a shotgun just because you can, you might be seen as "looking for trouble". Think for just a moment about how someone could warp a tacticool shotty into a weapon meant for war. Impressions today breed the remaking of reality. I'd rather let the Cops see my regular hunting shotgun (without the 3-shot wooden dowl) than something that they'd wish they had, especially if they try to use it against me in court after I brandish it to stop something before it goes BAD altogether. And besides, if you mount a light on a gun, YOU stand-out real well and are therefore easier to draw fire. I don't need to AIM my shotty, just POINT IT! IF target identification becomes THAT necessary, a verbal command to GET DOWN followed by a round let go into the ceiling will usually stop all but the most determined, PCP-laden Perp from causing further trouble. And I'll still have 5 left to control the situation till the Cops get there to do the paperwork....... I've already defended my home with my shotty, without firing a shot! The Perp fled the scene as soon as he heard the sound of the round being racked into the chamber, along with my stern attitude! Dave
May 8, 201214 yr Maybe I'm just an "old Fudd", OR maybe I've just learned to adapt to the few limitations my short-barreled pump shotgun has, I'm not sure. Many, many years ago my Brother thought he was doing me a favor and gave me a glue-on (to the receiver) shell holder for my pump. I looked at it, then handed it back to him and said, "If I need more than the first 6 in the gun, I'm fighting-off an entire Gang, and will probably loose anyway, so why screw-up the looks and balance of the gun I'm so used to". Later that year I won a Knockdown Steel competition with that same un-altered pump. Putting a kid through 4 years of college I never had the money or time to waste on accessorizing something that worked well to beging with. In my mind, IF you dress-up a shotgun just because you can, you might be seen as "looking for trouble". Think for just a moment about how someone could warp a tacticool shotty into a weapon meant for war. Impressions today breed the remaking of reality. I'd rather let the Cops see my regular hunting shotgun (without the 3-shot wooden dowl) than something that they'd wish they had, especially if they try to use it against me in court after I brandish it to stop something before it goes BAD altogether. And besides, if you mount a light on a gun, YOU stand-out real well and are therefore easier to draw fire. I don't need to AIM my shotty, just POINT IT! IF target identification becomes THAT necessary, a verbal command to GET DOWN followed by a round let go into the ceiling will usually stop all but the most determined, PCP-laden Perp from causing further trouble. And I'll still have 5 left to control the situation till the Cops get there to do the paperwork....... I've already defended my home with my shotty, without firing a shot! The Perp fled the scene as soon as he heard the sound of the round being racked into the chamber, along with my stern attitude! Dave Wow Dave, this is not your best writing. Although I agree that K.I.S.S. is great to live by, having a side saddle on a shotgun or a flashlight is NOT going to get you in trouble in court. And firing a warning shot? NO!!!!!
May 9, 201214 yr A light is all I consider. I don't ever want to put a shot into the darkness if I am unsure. Identify the target -always good. I don't really like the way shotgun mounted lights work though. I personally prefer my original wood stock to anything else. Good for clubbing. "butt strike to the heeeeaaad!!!!!!! Execute!l" I think the only hand to hand drill we did in the Army that used the pistol grip was the actual bayonet jab, and the one where you jab the guy in the face with the muzzle. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
May 9, 201214 yr Wow Dave, this is not your best writing. Although I agree that K.I.S.S. is great to live by, having a side saddle on a shotgun or a flashlight is NOT going to get you in trouble in court. And firing a warning shot? NO!!!!! Ray, I didn't mean to indicate that I WOULD fire a warning shot, just that I might consider it based upon the circumstances. It's a personal choice, and IF I don't have to kill someone, I won't. Of course, it would be hard to determine WHICH SHOT WAS FIRED FIRST (smile and a wink,lol). As to my reasons for not wanting to "dress-up" my Shotty: I'm just considering why a Street Cop who is a USPSA competitor won't drop-in a nicer trigger on his hand gun. He doesn't want to be judged as a "Gunslinger" by anyone in a Grand Jury, if anything comes from it. It goes back to a CYA principle that's stuck in my head. Of course, you're probably right about the shell holder. I just don't want to take the chance. I use a hunting gun for HD, to take all of the "EVIL" out of it so the tool itself can't be used against me. I'm still in NJ, not Iowa (land of the Free), so I don't need to instigate further investigation. And I have extra money to go on vacations and do things with my family while I'm still around....
May 9, 201214 yr I guess I'll go ahead and cancel that order for the bayonet . ( I kid) Better be kidding about cancelling the order!
May 9, 201214 yr im learning this myself right now but with ar, im finding i like my stuff stock from factory... just works better that way... Ok, for shotguns, this mostly means a certain configuration. "From the factory" with ARs these days means pretty much nothing. As for the OP, I'm a fan of simple, but magazine extensions being gimmicks? Come on. It's capacity. What is it going to snag on that the barrel won't if it doesn't extend past the barrel? Barrel clamps are there to prevent things form slipping between the two and to prevent the extension from being knocked out of alignment and causing feeding issues. I have a +2, and it doesn't poke past the end of my 18.25" barrel. I could get away with a +3 in the same form factor if not in NJ. As for ammo on the gun. I don't like it there, but I do have a side saddle. In an HD situation, I just don't have time for messing with more than the gun and what is attached. For competition, I just don't have enough real estate for all the shotgun ammo I might need. My compromise is a side saddle.
May 10, 201214 yr Ray, I didn't mean to indicate that I WOULD fire a warning shot, just that I might consider it based upon the circumstances. It's a personal choice, and IF I don't have to kill someone, I won't. Of course, it would be hard to determine WHICH SHOT WAS FIRED FIRST (smile and a wink,lol). As to my reasons for not wanting to "dress-up" my Shotty: I'm just considering why a Street Cop who is a USPSA competitor won't drop-in a nicer trigger on his hand gun. He doesn't want to be judged as a "Gunslinger" by anyone in a Grand Jury, if anything comes from it. It goes back to a CYA principle that's stuck in my head. Of course, you're probably right about the shell holder. I just don't want to take the chance. I use a hunting gun for HD, to take all of the "EVIL" out of it so the tool itself can't be used against me. I'm still in NJ, not Iowa (land of the Free), so I don't need to instigate further investigation. You do realize that I'm the ANTI USPSA/IDPA/IPSC right? You don't need a 2 lb trigger or lighting cuts on the shotgun.
May 20, 201214 yr You do realize that I'm the ANTI USPSA/IDPA/IPSC right? You don't need a 2 lb trigger or lighting cuts on the shotgun. Ray, I got that. Sorry for the long wait. Too light a trigger is dangerous, especially on a 12 ga.! You're right about that alright!
May 21, 201214 yr You do realize that I'm the ANTI USPSA/IDPA/IPSC right? You don't need a 2 lb trigger or lighting cuts on the shotgun. We both are! We both compete with stock guns, no trigger jobs, non-race, exactly the way we would use the guns inside our own homes for self-defense. Ok, so I "cheated" with my Model 64 when I stuck a Red Dot on it. I still suck with it, so it sits in the safe looking stupid with an optic as big as the gun!
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