OK, so it was the second day in a row during rush hour traffic in which a local PD was stopping traffic just south of the Chester area on Route 206. I assume that they were looking for seat belts and or cell phones, but, they were also stopping every OTHER car and walking around and looking in the windows of the car, itself. What is this about, and why does a local PD feel that it has the right to significantly slow down traffic and check in people's cars like that without probable cause? Either there is some important thing they are searching for, or they are most likely, in my humble opinion, overstepping their boundaries. And, if it was a specific issue, then why every other car? If it was of a significant incidence-related search, then I would think that it would be more a state police issue. If it is just a brainstorm of that PD, and that is what it appears to be, then it seems that we are continuously approaching a police state and being subjected to abuse.

 

Any other thoughts? Experiences? Forum officers reading this... Please give somewhat of an explanation.

 

I am not disrespecting those in uniform and the jobs they do, however, I am trying to wrap my head around this.

Could be any number of things. Looking for an individual and set up a roadblock maybe. Amber alert possibly. Maybe acting on info from a federal agency looking for something in particular

If that is true, then why every other car and not all cars?

they have monthly fund raisers in pine beach and beachwood also, think nothing of backing up rt. 9 for a mile.

Could just be the click it or ticket thing, any number of mv checkpoints for infractions especially since the DMV doesn't fail for equpt violations anymore. Getting a jump on the holiday weekend tickets.

If that is true, then it is abuse of power.

Police still need a reason to stop you.

 

Could be any number of things. Looking for an individual and set up a roadblock maybe. Amber alert possibly. Maybe acting on info from a federal agency looking for something in particular

 

This. Everyone thinks police have to tell you why they are doing things, not sure why but it could be a million different reasons.

 

And Patriot, look up the plain view doctrine when you get a chance.

Clicket or Ticket checkpoint most likely, I know the NHTSA has been doing a lot of awerness with the clicket or ticket campaign recently. DWI checkpoints should soon follow due to proms/Memorial Day/Fourth of July.

 

 

This. Everyone thinks police have to tell you why they are doing things, not sure why but it could be a million different reasons.

 

And Patriot, look up the plain view doctrine when you get a chance.

 

Agreed

Clicket or Ticket checkpoint most likely, I know the NHTSA has been doing a lot of awerness with the clicket or ticket campaign recently. DWI checkpoints should soon follow due to proms/Memorial Day/Fourth of July.

 

Agreed

Another thing I just thought of checkpoints are usually advertised in the local newspaper if im not mistaken. I think it is a requirement of the checkpoints in NJ.

It's the FU rush hour jam up inspection.

 

I remember a few years ago, Woodbridge PD did a seatbelt checkpoint check where Green St and Rt 1&9 meet near Woodbridge Center on a Saturday. It caused a hellacious traffic jam up, worse than rush hour on a weekday. I'd say PD public relations hit an all time low for WBPD for that. Never saw it again...

Probably click it or ticket. I know that money just shook free. If they stop every other car or every 10th car, its not profiling. Its random. they can walk around your car and look in, heck anybody can do that in a parking lot.They can write you for other safety violations they dont do at inspections anymore. Youre not being searched, they just want to see if your dumb enough to leave a joint in the ash tray where they can see it. THEN you get searched. Happy motoring.

I see a ton of Anti-Cop people on here..bottom line, dont break the law, you wont have problems. If society allowed people to do as they wanted with no rules, it would collapse upon itself.

I see a ton of Anti-Cop people on here..bottom line, dont break the law, you wont have problems. If society allowed people to do as they wanted with no rules, it would collapse upon itself.

Sitting in traffic is a problem, especially in NJ. Not anti-cop, just anti-dont waste my time. Stuff like this ticks me off just like when a construction crew set ups all there detours and work site just to let it sit for 3 months while people have to sit in the horrible traffic it creates.

I see a ton of Anti-Cop people on here..bottom line, dont break the law, you wont have problems. If society allowed people to do as they wanted with no rules, it would collapse upon itself.

 

I'm not anti-cop. I'm pro-Constitution.

 

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Sitting in traffic is a problem, especially in NJ. Not anti-cop, just anti-dont waste my time. Stuff like this ticks me off just like when a construction crew set ups all there detours and work site just to let it sit for 3 months while people have to sit in the horrible traffic it creates.

Hey, its NJ...Men at work right? while sitting and drinking coffee..

I'm not anti-cop. I'm pro-Constitution.

 

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

Your in PUBLIC...... on a PUBLIC ROADWAY..... in a CAR....... sitting in TRAFFIC....It has nothing to do with the constitution. Deal with it or move to Ohio.

You make yourself sound like a conspiracy theorist with comments like that..At any rate, once one leaves the privacy of their dwelling their expectation to privacy is diminished, especially operating a motor vehicle with clear windows where an officer can plainly see you not wearing the seat belt or talking on a cell phone..No warrant would be needed to seize you and issue you a summons for both. There also is no law preventing a LE or a civilian for that matter, from looking into your vehicle or open window.

 

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Your in PUBLIC...... on a PUBLIC ROADWAY..... in a CAR....... sitting in TRAFFIC....It has nothing to do with the constitution. Deal with it or move to Ohio.

You make yourself sound like a conspiracy theorist with comments like that..At any rate, once one leaves the privacy of their dwelling their expectation to privacy is diminished, especially operating a motor vehicle with clear windows where an officer can plainly see you not wearing the seat belt or talking on a cell phone..

 

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Correct again..but I will just be accused of defending another LEO.

It's the FU rush hour jam up inspection.

 

I remember a few years ago, Woodbridge PD did a seatbelt checkpoint check where Green St and Rt 1&9 meet near Woodbridge Center on a Saturday. It caused a hellacious traffic jam up, worse than rush hour on a weekday. I'd say PD public relations hit an all time low for WBPD for that. Never saw it again...

 

That intersection is literally seconds from my house, they did one last summer for vehicle inspection checks, anybody in violation they pulled over under that parking garage right there and ticketed them and had them run through thier portatable inspection truck

Correct again..but I will just be accused of defending another LEO.

 

I notice a ton of animosity towards LE on this sit and I only been here 1 day..WTF? Did i just join some back wood militia site?

Clicket or Ticket checkpoint most likely, I know the NHTSA has been doing a lot of awerness with the clicket or ticket campaign recently. DWI checkpoints should soon follow due to proms/Memorial Day/Fourth of July.

 

Happens this time every year. The start with the threatening TV commercials, publish it in the paper and then set up check points. If they spent as much time and money on catching criminals and thugs, the State would be a better place. Obviously those unlicensed drivers in stolen vehicles, unregistered vehicles, uninsured vehicles could care less about the commercials and check points. They'll manage to skate by.

Generates revenue and increases safety. The number of shitbox car wrecks that are driving around now because they don't fail inspection for equipment is ridiculous. People don't take care of their stuff unless they are forced to or fined because of it. During stops for these violations I find no insurance, unregistered and everything else. You bring it out in public for me to see it then it's on you. Don't hate me because this is my job.

 

 

I notice a ton of animosity towards LE on this sit and I only been here 1 day..WTF? Did i just join some back wood militia site?

 

It's just a few but it's no worse than what we deal with every day. You know as well as I do there are the cop haters, the anti establishment, and those that just have to play devils advocate. Don't worry about it and focus on gun stuff. I learned earlier on how it is.

Happens this time every year. The start with the threatening TV commercials, publish it in the paper and then set up check points. If they spent as much time and money on catching criminals and thugs, the State would be a better place. Obviously those unlicensed drivers in stolen vehicles, unregistered vehicles, uninsured vehicles could care less about the commercials and check points. They'll manage to skate by.

 

Do you even realize how many criminals are caught by simple motor vehicle stops? Do you? Did you know the Son of Sam murderer was caught because of a parking ticket?

 

I love how the OP said that police employing a check point is an abuse of their powers..Go to China, or Pakistan or Mexico and let me know about police abusing their powers.Your worried about a little mild inconvenience of sitting in some traffic while the PD does their job? Please....

I'm not anti-cop. I'm pro-Constitution.

 

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Anything in plain view does not require a warrant. If they have a legal reason for the stop (DUI checkpoint, seatbelt, etc.) then anything that can be plainly viewed by the LEO is fair game.

Your in PUBLIC...... on a PUBLIC ROADWAY..... in a CAR....... sitting in TRAFFIC....It has nothing to do with the constitution. Deal with it or move to Ohio.

 

 

Oh, so the Constitution only applies to being in your dwelling or in Ohio. Man I was looking at things all wrong. Thanks for the correction!

 

Also, suspiciousness checkpoints are only legal under specific circumstances, and violations of them could nullify citations or make searches in some circumstances illegal.

 

These checkpoints primary purpose is NOT safety, but rather revenue generations, as BLF so aptly pointed out.

why does a local PD feel that it has the right to significantly slow down traffic and check in people's cars like that without probable cause?

1) because they can

2) dont need PC to look into a vehicle on a public roadway

 

 

Either there is some important thing they are searching for, or they are most likely, in my humble opinion, overstepping their boundaries.

 

Oh your "opinion" huh? We all know what those are like...Please expound as to what boundaries they over stepped? did they illegally search you or your vehicle? Did they use excessive force upon you?

 

And, if it was a specific issue, then why every other car? If it was of a significant incidence-related search, then I would think that it would be more a state police issue. If it is just a brainstorm of that PD, and that is what it appears to be, then it seems that we are continuously approaching a police state and being subjected to abuse.

 

Any other thoughts? Experiences? Forum officers reading this... Please give somewhat of an explanation.

 

I am not disrespecting those in uniform and the jobs they do, however, I am trying to wrap my head around this.

 

Perhaps it was a silver or amber alert, perhaps they were looking for a local suspect of a crime, perhaps it was a "click it or ticket" detail (which BTW is paid for and promoted by the state and was created by the politicians not the cops, so be mad at the politicians)

 

And please explain your theory of police abuse? So the police abused you by slowing you down and glancing at your car as you passed? You felt violated?LOL

Oh, so the Constitution only applies to being in your dwelling or in Ohio. Man I was looking at things all wrong. Thanks for the correction!

 

Do you even know your own rights? Apparently not..

could you point me to the part of the constitution that says the Government can not enforce laws to protect their citizens driving motor vehicles?

If that is true, then it is abuse of power.

 

So, a policeman enforcing the law and protecting people from themselves is an abuse of power? please explain with something other that saying "cause the constitution says so man.."