Does anyone know for certain that a criminal history check (and the $18 money order) is necessary for every P2P application? I can't find anything on the permit application and my town is telling me yes.

Yup, evvverrry application They want to know if youve been a bad boy since the last time you applied. (and they want your money too)

Do you know if the initial criminal history check is included in the fingerprinting fee?

 

I applied for 2 P2P's in April, and my wife applied for her FID and 2 P2P's.

 

We only paid one $18 fee.

The initial application requires a fingerprint check. Subsequent applications, at the option of the PD, can have the non-criminal background check (form SP-212A - only available from your PD) done in leiu of fingerprinting. There is an $18 charge for this as opposed to the $60+ fee for fingerprointing.

 

There was recently a thread on here about PD's requiring you to be fingerprinted on subsequent apps if a certain interval of time has passed since your last application. We all know this is bogus, as your prints don't change. The NJSP simply says prints are required initially and the SP-212A for any subsequent apps, but they do not prohibit the local PD's from requiring prints anytime an application is submitted. I believe this may one of the abuses that the NJ2AS is looking into, even though it is not illegal per se - it can be viewed as an additional, unecessary financial burden that prevents people from exercising their rights.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

Why are we paying for this? Aren’t we already paying them from our taxes?. Would be much easier to just use this, but that’s bureaucracy for you.

Just another way for the state to make money. Local PDs can access criminal histories for free via NCIC 2000, however NJ prohibits using it for firearms applications or any other applications with the exception of Criminal Justice Employment. This way, they get their $18 and it takes longer as it comes through the mail and has to be processed. It's not required every P2P either, Toms River does it every 2 years. BTW other states don't have a prohibition on getting CCHs through the computer for firearms applications, only NJ does. Standard!

Just another way for the state to make money. Local PDs can access criminal histories for free via NCIC 2000, however NJ prohibits using it for firearms applications or any other applications with the exception of Criminal Justice Employment. This way, they get their $18 and it takes longer as it comes through the mail and has to be processed. It's not required every P2P either, Toms River does it every 2 years. BTW other states don't have a prohibition on getting CCHs through the computer for firearms applications, only NJ does. Standard!

 

Corzine passed the $18 background check requirement, figuring it's bring more money into the NJSP coffers....as for the fingerprinting, ONE company does non-criminal fingerprinting now that used to be done by local agencies for no, or a minimal charge...something tells me that SOMEONE in Trenton is getting something out of Sagem Morpho for that.

It's not required every P2P either

 

Actually it is required as per the state, and it's listed in the state police issued book, verified by several ffl's on the board (INCLUDING PK90). Just because your town doesn't do it doesn't mean it's not supposed to be doing it. The only thing you can be sure of in NJ is that the rules are different in each town, period.