So a few months ago I got my first p2p and bought a handgun. I very stupidly didnt apply for multiple permits and didn't realize my mistake until everything had been submitted.

 

Long story short is I want to apply for more from the Hoboken PD and want to know exactly what's required by law for my additional permits. I know I shouldn't be required for prints again so is it just filling out the application again only? Do I do mental health again? Also they made me fill out 2 additional forms last time (applicant questionnaire, domestic violence form).

 

I just want to know for sure in case they try and have me do additional forms etc that aren't actually necessary. I tried searching other threads for this info but couldn't find. Thank you for your guidance!!

 

 

nothing extra is needed. one mental health form is required for every application. the extra forms you filled; questionnaire and domestic violence forms are ILLEGAL and are NOT required to be completed for either the FID or pistol permit. contact the NJ2AS and let him know what hoboken is trying to pull. you can also call the NJSP yourself, and they will inform hoboken that they are WRONG in requiring any additional forms other then the PP itself and mental health form.

1) Application (STS-033 - downloadable)

2) Mental Health Check (SP-066 - downloadable)

3) Non-criminal background check (SP-212A - in leiu of prints - $18 - only available from your PD)

 

Anything else (domestic violence form? - asked and answered on the STS-033) is illegal by statute.

 

$2 each for each P2P, payable upon receipt.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

Thanks guys!

Got all the forms in yesterday first thing in the AM. I had extra copies of the 'Hoboken Firearms Questionnaire', Domestic Violence form' and the 'Firearms Agreement form' (which makes you sign to attest you're liable for any incidents that may come from the firearm).

 

Basically I came with them prefiled (bc I didn't have time to argue) in case they handed blank ones to me and asked that I fill out- which he did.

 

So I submitted the STS-033, SP-066, and SP-212A along with the 3 additional forms.

 

I got my FID and P2P within 28 days last time through the same guy, so I didn't feel it was totally worth it to challenege his word and possibly piss him off which could result in him making a point to take the long route.

 

Honestly, I don't really mind the extra forms (even though they shouldn't do it) if they process my request in a timely fashion, however, what bothers me is I beleive they will send ANOTHER reference letter to my place of business. I have nothing to hide, but also, don't want to deal with that stuff at work when I shouldn't.

 

Do you think it's worth it for me to reach out to the NJSP or NJ2AS and inform them of this additional requirements of the HPD?

Do you think it's worth it for me to reach out to the NJSP or NJ2AS and inform them of this additional requirements of the HPD?

Yes, and if you don't or are not willing, please email me the extra forms and I'll do it myself.

 

And what is this about a reference letter to your business? Did you list your business as a reference on your application?

Who would you suggest to contact - the SP or the NJ2AS? It's not that I'm not willing, it's just I've heard horror stories about people pissing off the LEO and it taking much longer that way. I'd be happy to email you the forms tonight when I get home if you PM me your email?

 

The ref. letter to work: on the HPD Firearms Questionnaire - one of the parts asks for employer, name of manager, and contact info (among many other questions). I was totally new to the process in March when I first applied, so didn't know that was not required by law. Basically the PD sent my direct manager a letter asking to confirm some of my info AND asking "do you have any reason to beleive this person should be denied a handgun permit?"

 

Luckily I found out that was being sent and mentioned it to my manager so she wouldn't be totally take back it arrived, however, she seemed a little hesistant to sign it as she never saw anything like it and even asked me if she could be held liable by singing if anything ever happened (even though that wasn't a concern of hers). Also, I work at a financial services firm in NYC and they probably don't get too many of those sent in by Police departments.

Do you think it's worth it for me to reach out to the NJSP or NJ2AS and inform them of this additional requirements of the HPD?

 

NJ2AS definitely. If you have the chutzpah, schedule a meeting with the Mayor or the CLEO - mayor might be more effective since his is an elected position and he might be more sensitive to pissed-off citizens voters. Tell him that you are puzzled - the police expect you to obey the law, especially firearms laws, yet they seem to be violating them with impunity. Print out the statute and be polite. I wouldn't expect to come away with a victory, but I would try to leave the impression that it won't end with your meeting unless they comply. Put on your poker-face and be polite. Good luck - at a minimum contact NJ2AS and forward copies of the forms.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

Got all the forms in yesterday first thing in the AM. I had extra copies of the 'Hoboken Firearms Questionnaire', Domestic Violence form' and the 'Firearms Agreement form' (which makes you sign to attest you're liable for any incidents that may come from the firearm).

 

Basically I came with them prefiled (bc I didn't have time to argue) in case they handed blank ones to me and asked that I fill out- which he did.

 

So I submitted the STS-033, SP-066, and SP-212A along with the 3 additional forms.

 

I got my FID and P2P within 28 days last time through the same guy, so I didn't feel it was totally worth it to challenege his word and possibly piss him off which could result in him making a point to take the long route.

 

Honestly, I don't really mind the extra forms (even though they shouldn't do it) if they process my request in a timely fashion, however, what bothers me is I beleive they will send ANOTHER reference letter to my place of business. I have nothing to hide, but also, don't want to deal with that stuff at work when I shouldn't.

 

Do you think it's worth it for me to reach out to the NJSP or NJ2AS and inform them of this additional requirements of the HPD?

 

This is how they get away with it..Because we do not say anything to them..we let someone else take care of it for us after the fact..

They have been forwarded to Tom at NJ2AS.

 

Total BS, by the way, these forms.

 

I'd be pissed if I were subjected to them.

 

I'm self employed but can't imagine having to ask for what is essentially permission from an employer. It's none of your emplyers business to have an opinion on whether or not you should own a firearm.