Woodbridge cop saves hostage by venting a lowlife's skull in a department store.

 

That was a feelgood story that made the rounds. Folks legally carrying firearms getting hassled or non violent protestors getting sprayed...not so feel good.

 

This is the spot that Leo are in. Have to take the good with the bad. A position of authority garners extra scrutiny, and possible contempt from those without authority or those wronged by abuse. Like it or not, right?

 

That's the job.

A position of authority garners extra scrutiny, and possible contempt from those without authority or those wronged by abuse. Like it or not, right?

 

That's the job.

 

Exactly! Just like a company CEO or even say a forum MOD! lol

 

Edit: re-qouted your line for clarification

Eh? Late. Brain mush.

or even say a forum MOD! lol

 

huH? Did I miss something?

There are a few NJSP folks here, just that they don't broadcast it.

Now, I am not into conspiracies as you know, but its possible from the inception there has been a collaboration and relationship of sorts with careful thoughts as to participation. If that were even remotely true, hopefully, there is no political agenda. Even without a collaboration, there would most likely be monitoring of something of this nature and all of this would be done at the state level.

 

 

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There is an anti-leo vibe on this forum for sure.

 

People almost always feel the need to post "bad" leo stories on this forum but never any "good" leo stories.

 

Then the shoe is on the other foot and the same people curse the media for only posting "bad" gun-related stories but never any "good" gun-related stories.

 

Politicians elected by citizens of NJ took our gun rights away, not the police.

 

There are four reasons for the perception of an anti-leo vibe, however, I don't find this forum to be anti-leo. I wish more officers would come on here...

 

One, LEOs can defend themselves and the honest, law-abiding citizen cannot

 

Two, owning guns in NJ is basically against the law, with a few excemptions and LEOs sometimes aren't on the side of the individual and the 2nd Amendment right

 

The citizen has to dot his "i"s and cross his "t"s with everything he or she does, and even if the law is followed to the letter, he can still find himself in alphabet soup.

 

Third, many LEOs perpetuate an "us" and "them" mentality and become suspicious of everyone and see themselves more as law enforcement than peace officers. Some LEOs on this forum sometimes come across as having a chip on their shoulders.

 

Four, there is a hypocritical side sometimes. LEOs giving tickets and then speeding themselves, or pulling someone over for talking on a cell phone when they do it all of the time.

How many personnel do the State police have?

There is an anti-leo vibe on this forum for sure.

 

 

This is not true.

This is not true.

 

I agree, I don't think it is the norm on the forum. However, I think there is an agenda to divide the citizen and the LEO in this culture and with the laws, etc. and every once in a while that comes out on the forum in some form or another.

This is not true.

 

Agree Frank, Me personally, I could care less what you do for a living, I judge people buy the person, not what they do, and we have cool people and dicks in all professions, and no prefession as more or less than another unless were talking politicians, then all bets are off.. lol

As far as I know, pretty much every state has some sort of Cyber Crimes division that monitors the internet for child pornography, drug selling or manufacturing websites/forums, illegal weapons manufacturing sites, prostitution, extremist websites like Stormfront etc. are also monitored on a regular basis. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to assume that this site, among many others, is monitored on a regular basis.

 

Fortunately, we have a membership made of good people and a good staff, and everything is kept safe, sane and legal. Unlike a few other forums out there, unfortunately.

There are four reasons for the perception of an anti-leo vibe, however, I don't find this forum to be anti-leo. I wish more officers would come on here...

 

1 One, LEOs can defend themselves and the honest, law-abiding citizen cannot

 

2 Two, owning guns in NJ is basically against the law, with a few excemptions and LEOs sometimes aren't on the side of the individual and the 2nd Amendment right

 

3 The citizen has to dot his "i"s and cross his "t"s with everything he or she does, and even if the law is followed to the letter, he can still find himself in alphabet soup.

 

4 Third, many LEOs perpetuate an "us" and "them" mentality and become suspicious of everyone and see themselves more as law enforcement than peace officers. Some LEOs on this forum sometimes come across as having a chip on their shoulders.

 

5 Four, there is a hypocritical side sometimes. LEOs giving tickets and then speeding themselves, or pulling someone over for talking on a cell phone when they do it all of the time.

 

 

Count Von Count says there are actually FIVE! FIVE reasons!

 

(Disclaimer: The count only has four fingers because, well quite frankly he was easier to make that way. Sorry Count )

 

Count Von Count says there are actually FIVE! FIVE reasons!

 

(Disclaimer: The count only has four fingers because, well quite frankly he was easier to make that way. Sorry Count )

 

Not that it matters, but 3 was really only part of 2 in my thinking when I wrote it. But I'll go with 5.

So was it?- 2b or not 2b, that is the question?

1. LEOs can defend themselves (and families) and the honest, law-abiding citizen cannot (outside their home).

 

 

 

This puts them into a different "class" of citizens. It's not their fault, it's the States fault. But I can see how that might be one source of a anti-leo vibe among some honest gun owners.

I konow a couple of troopers, they just do not have the time to go on the net..when they need something they have their wifes do it.. or their husbands.. escaped that one..

 

How much OT do these guys work that they cant even get on the internet?

 

Probably right though. I did read somewhere the ACLU is suing to make their pay & overtime records public.

How many personnel do the State police have?

 

I believe the number is over 4,000.

The forum is hostile to LEOs. How many other professions are constantly bashed here? Unless you can name them all, or at least a good percentage, it is a discriminatory tone. Just reread the posts in this thread and you'll quickly pick up on the tone of many, including the OPs. Suggesting that LEOs are hostile and perpetuating the us vs. them mentaility is the equivlant of saying that a minority is at fault for the discrimination they are subject to. It's assinine, and in keeping with the thought process of one of the bigger cop bashers, a fallacy of logic. Yes, there are a few here that "tough it out" and "weather the storm" and more that just chose to ignore the ever constant barbs tossed thier way, considering the source of the insult(or lack there of) but it doesn't mean the insults and belittling aren't here, simply that the Cops have become some what innoculated against them. Sometimes it's simply a matter of remembering that they say it here, becuase it's the only place they can, or will. It's completely understandable for a poster, LEO or otherwise not to reveal some aspect about himself, likely to cause negative feedback and drama. It's much the equivlent of a woman on her cycle, not diving with sharks. In this case, the sharks have no teeth, just mouths...

In the beginning, I felt as if I had to "weather the storm" and "tough it out" over a bunch of heated discussions I was having with folks here on the forum. My viewpoints and theirs didn't meet, and my internet butt did hurt a bit. I was going to /quit the forums, but I stuck it out, absorbed the information, rebutted some while keeping it civil.

 

The result is me being involved with the forums here more than any other internet community. I've modified some of my views, and have formulated new ones over my course thus far. Very refreshing.

 

FYI, I am not a LEO

 

The point is, I think the majority of new folks go through this phase. Those that stick it out, stay and have a good time. Those that get pissed and leave, will formulate their own ideas in their head as to why it didn't work out.

 

 

Probably right though. I did read somewhere the ACLU is suing to make their pay & overtime records public.

 

I believe their pay is public record as well as every other state employee, overtime pay that is not public knowledge.

The forum is hostile to LEOs. How many other professions are constantly bashed here? Unless you can name them all, or at least a good percentage, it is a discriminatory tone. Just reread the posts in this thread and you'll quickly pick up on the tone of many, including the OPs. Suggesting that LEOs are hostile and perpetuating the us vs. them mentaility is the equivlant of saying that a minority is at fault for the discrimination they are subject to. It's assinine, and in keeping with the thought process of one of the bigger cop bashers, a fallacy of logic. Yes, there are a few here that "tough it out" and "weather the storm" and more that just chose to ignore the ever constant barbs tossed thier way, considering the source of the insult(or lack there of) but it doesn't mean the insults and belittling aren't here, simply that the Cops have become some what innoculated against them. Sometimes it's simply a matter of remembering that they say it here, becuase it's the only place they can, or will. It's completely understandable for a poster, LEO or otherwise not to reveal some aspect about himself, likely to cause negative feedback and drama. It's much the equivlent of a woman on her cycle, not diving with sharks. In this case, the sharks have no teeth, just mouths...

 

Disagree.. SOME POSTERS are routinely and openly hostile to LEO's not the forum in general. In Fact Maksim has gone out of his way to try and keep things from getting too hostile....to the point that at least one basher doesnt come around anymore. There are people here who believe what they believe..and no amount of facts are going to sway them, no different than Rabid Antis.

I think the whole anti-LEO sentiment arises from a few bad interactions with LEO's. Face it, for every 'good' group of LEO's, there is that richard that will pull you over for not using a blinker in a turn only lane, discover you have a legally owned firearm in a legal situation (or ammo, or hollowpoint, or whatever) and make every attempt to criminalize you, even if you are 100% within the gray fuzzy line of the law.

 

I really wish there weren't any bad feelings against LEO's in the firearms world. It makes us all look unprofessional/childish/crazy, hurts the 2A movement, and could wind up getting someone in trouble in the end.

 

If I get pulled over coming home from work and I have a single .22 hollowpoint on my floor by sheer accident, I slam-dunk broke the law. Perhaps the person pulling me over might turn a blind eye if he had a good impression of gun owners. I hate arrogant people who carry guns and are jerks to LEO's casually talking to them, ill try to find the PAFOA thread where this backfired on a person OC'ing.

 

Edit: I can't find the thread, but an LEO wrote that we pulled up to a gas station and saw expired tags on the only car there. Walked in to buy coffee or whatever, saw someone OC'ing an M&P, and started talking to him because he wanted to know about the trigger. Guy turned around, had some sarcastic remark about infringing rights, acted like a jerk, and left. The LEO pulled him over down the street and ticketed him.

 

I don't like when people are rude to me when I'm working for some unwarranted reason, and I'm sure LEO's feel the same. What comes around, goes around.

If I get pulled over coming home from work and I have a single .22 hollowpoint on my floor by sheer accident, I slam-dunk broke the law.

 

I'm not sure this is accurate. If it were by sheer accident, you wouldn't knowingly be in possession of the round. Pretty sure the statute says you must be knowingly in possession to be in violation. If you DID know you had a single round of .22 HP, why not chuck it in the garbage in the first place since it only costs $.03

 

Unless I misread the statute.

Agree Frank, Me personally, I could care less what you do for a living, I judge people buy the person, not what they do, and we have cool people and dicks in all professions, and no prefession as more or less than another unless were talking politicians, then all bets are off.. lol

You get a A+ for that statement

You get a A+ for that statement

 

Almost, I give it an A-.

 

No body likes a politician, until they need one.

 

 

Almost, I give it an A-.

 

No body likes a politician, until they need one.

 

Same could be said for how most people feel about police

Same could be said for how most people feel about police

Your picking up, what I'm putting down

I'm willing to bet that there are some NJ Troopers who visit this site but aren't going to divulge the nature of their employment. I cannot disagree with that. By the same token, I'm certain there are other local police, sheriffs, etc. on this site than are known as well. I am a member of several Dodge Challenger car forums and there are Troopers/LEO's from different states on those sites. And yes, they definitley "take a hit" there, as you could imagine on any performance car forum, LOL. But as long as people can surpress their egos, animosities, etc. for a moment, a lot of informational insight with regard to different views and perspectives can be had. As for negativity toward LEO's on this site, I haven't seen anything out of the "ordinary" during my short time here. I think it is "normal" for some people to vent. Not everyone has had a positive contact with law enforcement for whatever the reason(s) and that is to be expected. Also, there are a lot of LEO's who are gun advocates, many more than ones that are against. Yes, they are all against crminals having guns, but for honest citizens WHO KNOW HOW TO USE and RESPECT the firearm its not an issue.

Disagree.. SOME POSTERS are routinely and openly hostile to LEO's not the forum in general. In Fact Maksim has gone out of his way to try and keep things from getting too hostile....to the point that at least one basher doesnt come around anymore. There are people here who believe what they believe..and no amount of facts are going to sway them, no different than Rabid Antis.

 

And there in lies the problem...It's really not rocket science to stop someone on your forum from harassing, baiting and taunting other forum members. It's actually pretty simple to fix. In most places on the net, it's called trolling and is a violation of tos...