Okay I know the title is scary. Here is the deal...

 

I've been out of the loop for a bit doing other things and I was talking to someone (not a gun owner, but pro gun) he said a guy he currently works with claimed that our governor passed a new gun law and as a result he recieved documents (applications I would guess) requesting complete documentation of all firearms he owns and the ammo he purchased. Personally I think if this did happen I would have heard about it but, I'd like to be on the safe side. It sounds far fetched but then again this is NJ. Anyone heard of anything like this?

 

 

Rob

Nope, haven't heard that one yet. It sounds like some sort of gun and ammo registration. Now, I think Lautenberg is trying to push a bill that would stop internet ammo sales to NJ residents but that is still yet to be seen. I would only imagine that if that type of law were passed, the NJ gun forums would be ablaze with talk over it. That being said, the gov just said recently that "NJ had enough gun laws" so I would think that he would wait a few months before sticking it to us.

Complete bullsh*&

Hogwash

Either:

1. Your friend is a liar

2. Your friend's coworker is a liar

3. Your friend's coworker is a criminal and a liar.

Where/How/Why do people make this stuff up?

PK90,

 

I'm betting option 2.... either that or a complete idiot. If I ever got any type of documentation like that I'd be very concerned... and would seek legal advice prior to doing anything. That's a big red flag in my book. If not a liar I'd guess that maybe some leftist organization is trying to harvest information for a report they want to put out which in my opinion is a waste of time because they'll just alter the report to suite their needs anyways.... who knows... just want to make sure I don't have anything to fear.... I don't purchase large quanitites of ammo but I'd still like to not have to report the information....

 

thanks everyone.... hopeing NJ gets their dictatorship reined in soon.... I'm almost fearful to own a firearm and live in this state... AND at the same time I want more now that they're planning to close camden city PD (I live outside of Camden City).... Great ideas these idiots have aren't they???

I'm not fearful to live in NJ and own a firearm. It's still the USA. Well, with some hoops to jump through but still.... As bad as NJ is, lots of countries in the world are much worse.

Only time I was ever asked this was in the application for le. They asked for your fid number sbi number weapons and serial numbers and how often you shoot if I remember correctly. But I know there was no area to document Ur ammo purchases.

A game of telephone perhaps.

 

They effectively register every handgun you buy down to the serial, and ever long gun you buy in a more vague way via the nics intermediary. Then they require retailers to log every sale of handgun ammo someplace th government can request to look at it, and many places do it for handgun and long gun ammo.

 

Take someone who kind of understands it, play telephone with two people who don't understand it, and you could get this story by the time you get to the end.

They effectively register every handgun you buy down to the serial, and ever long gun you buy in a more vague way via the nics intermediary.

 

raz-0:

 

And you know this how? NICS records of approved transactions are required, by federal law, to be destroyed before the start of the next NICS business day.

 

From the FBI Website (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/general-information/fact-sheet/)...

Current destruction of NICS records became effective when a final rule was published by the Department of Justice in The Federal Register, outlining the following changes. Per Title 28, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 25.9(b)(1), (2), and (3), the NICS Section must destroy all identifying information on allowed transactions prior to the start of the next NICS operational day.

 

Are you saying that the NJSP, serving as a POC are violating this mandate by retaining records of NICS checks? If so, how do you know this?

 

People want to know.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

Calling a NICS check a registration would be a real stretch, NICS doesn't know if you bought one single shot shotgun or 20 semi auto belt fed rifles. The only way for the NJSP or ATF to know what you bought would be to audit the FFL you got them from.

 

raz-0:

 

And you know this how? NICS records of approved transactions are required, by federal law, to be destroyed before the start of the next NICS business day.

 

From the FBI Website (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/general-information/fact-sheet/)...

Current destruction of NICS records became effective when a final rule was published by the Department of Justice in The Federal Register, outlining the following changes. Per Title 28, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 25.9(b)(1), (2), and (3), the NICS Section must destroy all identifying information on allowed transactions prior to the start of the next NICS operational day.

 

Are you saying that the NJSP, serving as a POC are violating this mandate by retaining records of NICS checks? If so, how do you know this?

 

People want to know.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

The fed gov got caught with their hand in the cookie jar more than once. Do you really think it's implausible that NJ would possibly have the same lack of regard for the law and less oversight?

 

I'm not talking about what is, but what nj has in place to be abused, and how discussion of such by the cranky and less than informed turned into a game of telephone could be blown out of proportion without being intentionally made up.

NJ Pistol Permits are supposed to have been disposed of after 30 days too... however my PD keeps them all indefinitely.

 

NJ COE forms... not sure if they are submitted by the FFL's to the state... but rifles would be tougher to pin down.

NJ Pistol Permits are supposed to have been disposed of after 30 days too... however my PD keeps them all indefinitely. So does mine. If you have something in writing that they are supposed to destroy them, please forward it to me. I have NEVER seen anything addressing this.

 

NJ COE forms... not sure if they are submitted by the FFL's to the state... but rifles would be tougher to pin down. No COE is ever forwarded to anyone. It is a waste of paper that stays with the seller and buyer.