I'd like to hear some opinions on this former Marine's situation:

 

http://washington.cb...facebook-posts/

 

Based on the relatively scant details in this article, it looks like this guy made the mistake of oversharing on FB and got tagged for it by the police and Feds. The offending post they cited in the article is, I think, borderline - kinda weird phraseology, but nowhere near specific enough to be that troubling. I have seen worse.

 

Having said that, here's what I think:

1) The guy has some downright kooky ideas about 9/11 that are usually a conversation-ender for me. I don't fall in for that Truther stuff;

2) He's prone to some flowery anti-gov't/obviously pro-revolutionary rhetoric. But again, I am sure we've all seen that kind of post. What he posted did not necessarily set off alarm bells to me;

3) He made the mistake of being much too frank on FB, which also kind of scares me that we have to filter our thoughts, politically speaking;

4) The authorities cited the rash of recent incidents, like in Aurora, as a pretext for taking him. That kind of pre-crime-like process, minus the overt specificity in the posts, disturbs me in a way I cannot fully articulate yet.

 

I get that there may be more to the posts and the psychological profile that we haven't seen yet -- then again, there may not be more. There haven't been any additional details beyond this that I have seen in the reporting either. So, how does the forum feel about an extremely passionate person being civilly committed for political speech? Did the gov't use the Aurora/Wisconsin incidents correctly here as pretext for arrest?

 

From a LEO perspective, I'd like to particularly hear the Forum on whether this was an "arrest" or not. The authorities say it is not because he was not charged with anything. He was handcuffed though, because he resisted their taking him into custody - because they did not have a warrant. And THIS is the most troubling aspect -- will they use this resistance as further proof of his violent tendencies, even though his resistance was lawful? And what do we think this kind of action will portend for people posting things on forums like this? As I recall, there are some Truthers or sympathizers among us.

 

And finally, if his FB post quoted in the article was evidence enough of some instability, what of those stream of uber-violent anti-government and racist comments by the New Black Panther Party that we heard over the past couple of weeks? Double-standard?

 

I know, that's a ton of questions, but this incident has struck a nerve with me.

This guy's lucky the SWAT team didn't kill his fish and take his dog.

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Cause I think its in a part of the forum you have to be premium to see.

 

I don't even know what to say about this. There has to be more than whats being told. If there isn't, not only did the police screw the pooch and open them selves to a huge lawsuit, they broke huge important laws by not having a warrant. The idea of thought police scares me. I'm not going to self censor my self to please a few, the Constitution gives me the right to speak my mind. They can't take that away.

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“If you are my friend, you deserve to know the truth. This world is secretly run by a shadow organization of people who among other things enjoy raping children. Some of leaders were involved with the bombing of the twin towers. It was a sacrifice and a complete inside job. Also the Bush’s [sic] are very sick twisted problems. I believe they have a secret Castle in Colorado where they have been raping and sacrificing children for many years. Think I’m crazy? Think again.” Raub wrote in a July 28, 2012 Facebook post.

“Dear Friends, I know many of you think I’m going crazy, and are wondering just why I have been posting the things I have been posting. I don’t have the energy to explain. Just know that a new beginning is coming.” Raub posted on August 11.

On August 7, 2012 Raub posted to his profile a picture of men in robes by a lake with the caption, ” Do you know that world leaders sacrifice children in robes?”

According to federal law enforcement officials the FBI received several complaints from concerned individuals about Raub’s postings.

 

The Richmond Times Dispatch quoted an Internet posting by a former platoon commander, Sean Lawlor, who served with Raub in Iraq. The paper said that Lawlor called Raub an “excellent Marine” but quoted Lawlor as also saying, “Knowing the man that he is, I believe that he fully intended to act on the threats he was posting…We may never know, but the fact that law enforcement intervened may have kept Brandon from doing something extremely destructive.”

They kill your fish now?

 

Goodness gracious. What's next?

Yep, all really weird stuff. Most of it can be heard daily on the Alex Jones Show. But i still didn't see an explicit and specific threat. The most violent imagery that has so far been divulged were lyrics from a song. So a guy or several that he served with in Iraq were disturbed by some comments. His mother and family say there is nothing out of the ordinary here - who do we trust to make the judgement call as to commitment? All that i am seeing from these articles is that the police and FBI arrested/comitted a veteran who was saying some weird stuff post-Aurora, about which some old friends were complaining. I hope my old friends on FB don't find me weird or I am in trouble.

 

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Some further information The information is taking a different shape.

 

Man, screw tinfoil hats, that dude's got tinfoil ARMOR.

Yep, all really weird stuff. Most of it can be heard daily on the Alex Jones Show. But i still didn't see an explicit and specific threat. The most violent imagery that has so far been divulged were lyrics from a song. So a guy or several that he served with in Iraq were disturbed by some comments. His mother and family say there is nothing out of the ordinary here - who do we trust to make the judgement call as to commitment? All that i am seeing from these articles is that the police and FBI arrested/comitted a veteran who was saying some weird stuff post-Aurora, about which some old friends were complaining. I hope my old friends on FB don't find me weird or I am in trouble.

 

This is still playing out. Nothing should be grasped on to as the truth until more is known.

 

But what I will say is that those that are signing petitions have written off what has actually happened, in spite of it being written in all reports.

 

People were worried about what he was posting and he was then "Evaluated." That evaluation likely does not mean that an FBI agent read what he posted on facebook to a "shrink," and then they all agreed to commit him based on his posts. It was decided he needed further treatement based on a meeting with a professional, a face to face discussion. How long it took and what was said is what I personally would need to know before I signed any petition.

 

Signing a petition based on the assumption that his facebook comments were the sole reason for his being committed for 30 days is impulsive.

His mother and family say there is nothing out of the ordinary here - who do we trust to make the judgement call as to commitment?

We still seem to be missing some information on this case so I refuse to jump either way. I just wanted to point out how often when there is a story about some killing the colprits family says somthing along the lines of "My child was such a good kid. I can't believe they would do such a thing." Somtimes family members are not the greatest on picking up on potential trouble because they don't want to believe, so they subconsciously overlook the signs. Friends/ coworkers may very well be in better position to spot a personality change. Like I said we still need more information before I make a judgement call, I am just pointing out you should not jump to conclusions either just yet.

It was obvious that his writings were out there. I think he should be evaluated or looked at as a possible threat. That is within the law. I was concerned they violated his rights but like it's been previously said, there is more to this.

Man, screw tinfoil hats, that dude's got tinfoil ARMOR.

 

1. Mother is kooky
   
2. Son is kooky
   
3. Going to delete my FB now.
   

Okay, so let me get this straight:

 

Black panthers calling to kill babies in specific towns= okay

Black panthers calling a revolution on white women and time to kill all "crackers" (on video)=okay

Black panthers voter intimidation at the polls=okay

SEIU members on tape/video calling for the destruction of the USA=okay

Union members attacking innocent Tea party members on VIDEO not prosecuted=okay

Occupiers shouting and holding signs "kill the police" and chanting F-U we'll kill you=okay

 

So, the LOCAL CBS runs this story and the media will probably run it over and over and over never mentioning all the other stories I mentioned=okay.

This is concerning for a number of reasons.

 

He was arrested though apparently not charged with any crime.

 

He was arrested for freedom of speech, regardless of how crazy you think his speech was.

 

Police, FBI, and SS were involved. I had read that when originally contacted, the FBI said the police had him, and the police said the FBI had him. Not sure of the veracity of that, but if true, is odd...

 

All this happened without a warrant.

 

Whether or not you feel he should have been arrested, detained, committed, or otherwise, there are ways to do it while still following the law. Considering though, the Constitution has been pretty much thrown away already, I guess this is not surprising.

This is concerning for a number of reasons.

 

He was arrested though apparently not charged with any crime.

 

He was arrested for freedom of speech, regardless of how crazy you think his speech was.

 

Police, FBI, and SS were involved. I had read that when originally contacted, the FBI said the police had him, and the police said the FBI had him. Not sure of the veracity of that, but if true, is odd...

 

All this happened without a warrant.

 

Whether or not you feel he should have been arrested, detained, committed, or otherwise, there are ways to do it while still following the law. Considering though, the Constitution has been pretty much thrown away already, I guess this is not surprising.

 

Thanks for summarizing it and wording it perfectly. This should scare the living daylights out of every American. Every Constitutional Right was broken... this is the stuff they do in Russia. Eventually people simply disappear....Yup, it ain't US wearing the tinfoil hats, it's the people who DENY it and believe everything is fine that's wearing the tinfoil hat!

I understand ur concerns ... however guys are talking about tin hats simply cause all these speculation are based on a really bad written article and some "it's Godzilla" news report... there are hundreds if not thousands of ppl who write those kind of statements (prob worse) in the social media every single day , so if this guy was detained that means he was perceived as clear and present danger ..... the bottom line is we don't know the back story

I understand ur concerns ... however guys are talking about tin hats simply cause all these speculation are based on a really bad written article and some "it's Godzilla" news report... there are hundreds if not thousands of ppl who write those kind of statements (prob worse) in the social media every single day , so if this guy was detained that means he was perceived as clear and present danger ..... the bottom line is we don't know the back story

 

The bottom line is "this scares me"! It's obvious that certain groups get a pass and others don't. See my post above, especially the "Black Panthers" and "SEIU". They are on video saying they want to kill people, destroy and rebuild the government... and nothing happens. To me...they are seeing how far they can push it and are bullying people into being afraid. This is an obvious abuse of power. Sorry, but look at the FT. Hood killer... they won't give him a trial because he refuses to shave his beard. This guy KILLED 13 innocent people and is given favor because of this BS. These people ain't making innocent mistakes, this is on purpose. Also, if Facebook posts are under this much scrutiny, you'll be next posting on these sites. It's only a matter of time. I'm sure you've heard the saying:

 

First they cam for the communist but I was not a communist so I did not care..

Then they......(you know the rest)

A judge stepped in a ordered him released, saying "Raub had suffered deprivation of his liberty, because he was being held without a clear charge against him."