This coming Saturday. Doing things a little differently, make sure you read all of Ron's message here...

 

NEW ITEMS FOR Shongum Matches.

We are trying to start the match earlier, 10 to 10:15 start.

 

Registration will close by around 9:30 am, please arrive early.

New Shooter briefing will be at 8:45am, not 9am.

We are now using electronic scoring and on line registration/squadding is available this month.

Round count is shown on the Shoot’N Score It website. (Link provided below.)

 

We are using “Shoot’N Score It” (SSI), an online pre-registration tool. In addition to speeding things up the morning of the match to allow us to start shooting (and finish shooting) earlier, pre-registration via SSI provides for self-squadding. Shooters can sign-up/log-in to the SSI site, enter their basic shooter information, and click “Register.” Once registered, squadding can be set up.

 

We reserve the ability to move folks around to assure we have adequate RO coverage in each squad and balance squad size.

 

We can still accommodate walk-ons the morning of the match through the traditional sign-in process, but the less we have to rely on this, the quicker we can be at getting the match started.

 

** Shooter information stored in SSI is not indexed/returned by search engines, so shooter names will not come up in Google searches. **

 

To pre-register for the September Shongum match via SSI:

• Go to http://shootnscoreit...ipsc/match/696/
  
• If it’s your first time using SSI, create a user name/password, etc., and click “Sign Me Up”, otherwise login to sign up.
  
• On the match registration page, enter your USPSA/shooter information, and click “Register”
  
  • We ask that ROs select “Military” in the Category field so that we can easily identify them and ensure that each squad has enough ROs
    

  [*]Click on the link to “squads” on the left of the page, choose a squad from the list, and click “join this squad”

If you do not want to use SSI, please send me an email ([email protected]) back with the following info to register.

 

Reply back with:

Name:

USPSA number:

Division:

Power Factor:

 

 

AS ALWAYS:

Help with setting up and packing up is always needed and appreciated.

 

TIME PERMITTING, there will be a shotgun side stage after the pistol match of 14 rounds, 7.5 birdshot or smaller.

If the match is cancelled for weather, I will send out an email notification Friday around 5pm.

Can't wait until CJ has electronic scoring.

 

Online squadding looks awesome.

 

Might try to make this one

Online squadding is online squadding, does not really mean much, but with electronic scoring, it helps.

 

As for CJ, will chat with Vlad. The problem is... the required cost to get the devices, and... most of all, it does not really save time for the guy doing the scores... (me), unless everyone pre-registers, otherwise, you are re-entering a lot of the info multiple times. Furthermore... CJ, unlike OB or Shongum... gets in between amount of shooters, many of whom are not regulars and will drop by or decide the day of or day before.

 

OB and Shongum have pretty much a good core group that show up regularly, and in OB's case, the amount of shooters makes a huge difference scoring wise (time saver), and for Shongum matches are not that huge.

 

Lastly, we already have very few people able or willing to run the palms or the electronic devices... meanwhile, anyone can be handed a scoreboard.

Registered... Squad 3.

Online squadding is online squadding, does not really mean much, but with electronic scoring, it helps.

 

As for CJ, will chat with Vlad. The problem is... the required cost to get the devices, and... most of all, it does not really save time for the guy doing the scores... (me), unless everyone pre-registers, otherwise, you are re-entering a lot of the info multiple times. Furthermore... CJ, unlike OB or Shongum... gets in between amount of shooters, many of whom are not regulars and will drop by or decide the day of or day before.

 

OB and Shongum have pretty much a good core group that show up regularly, and in OB's case, the amount of shooters makes a huge difference scoring wise (time saver), and for Shongum matches are not that huge.

 

Lastly, we already have very few people able or willing to run the palms or the electronic devices... meanwhile, anyone can be handed a scoreboard.

 

I guess that is your opinion about online squadding, however some people like it. In conjunction with electronic scoring it's kinda nice, and it's what people want. Some clubs have scores up before everyone even goes home, yeah thats only a few, but it's proof that it can be done. Most clubs have the scores up within 24 to 48 hours. I don't think thats too much to ask is it? After all, the match isn't over until the scores are up.

 

I understand that this is a volunteer sport, so thanks for doing the scores, however I think many people work hard setting up, pasting and resetting steel, and breaking down. These people deserve scores in a reasonable amount of time. If electronics help then so be it.

 

I also like when scores are posted on the uspsa website. It's great to see how many a's b's c's, etc you shot. Would love to see CJ and OB post the scores there.

 

 

Registered and joined squad 3

I think everyone is expected to do the basic pasting and setting steel, same with tearing down stages... That is actually the easiest part of doing the match.

 

The tough part is designing the stages, doing the scoresheets, match registration, building the stages the day of the match, walking them through to make sure there are no stage issues, new shooter briefs, squadding.

 

After the match, it is getting all the score sheets, putting everyone into the match scoring software, then putting in the scores.

 

Beyond it, is the actual running the match and all the backoffice stuff required, sending scores and payments to USPSA, getting winners paid etc.

 

I am sure there is alot more that Vlad and others do which I cannot even imagine.

 

With the exception of the past 2 months, I have done the scores for CJ for the past year, and it takes anywhere between 3 to 6 hours to do the scores. Palms will cut about an hour or two out of it, but it is still a huge time commitment.

 

The fact is, no matter how you cut it, it still takes a shit ton of time.

 

Meanwhile, most people are content with sitting in their chairs complaining that the match does not start at 10AM.... The stages need to be built, and a fraction actually show up to help out. Even when you can clearly see the stages are not up, very seldom will anyone come up and see if they can help, most will just BS with friends.

 

Secondly, for CJ, I typically design a stage... why? Because I enjoy it, but because otherwise, there is not enough help. Vlad and Matt would do 20 different things. I would love to do registration into the scoring software as people register, the issue, from scoring perspective... people cannot add up numbers, and most of all, not enough people want to help, besides as you say, the hard work of pasting targets and setting steel.

 

It is a volunteer sport, so if you want to help.... contact any of the match directors and offer your help. Come out early and build stages.

 

Online squadding works when everyone pre-registers, or at a major match where there are very few or no walk ons at all.

 

I would love to have palm scoring, but from even todays match, on a squad of 14, we only had 3 or 4 people who knew, or were comfortable with palms, and half of them were RO's. Short of forcing someone to learn how to score via the palms, not that it is too difficult, that is what we have.

I guess that is your opinion about online squadding, however some people like it. In conjunction with electronic scoring it's kinda nice, and it's what people want. Some clubs have scores up before everyone even goes home, yeah thats only a few, but it's proof that it can be done. Most clubs have the scores up within 24 to 48 hours. I don't think thats too much to ask is it? After all, the match isn't over until the scores are up.

 

I understand that this is a volunteer sport, so thanks for doing the scores, however I think many people work hard setting up, pasting and resetting steel, and breaking down. These people deserve scores in a reasonable amount of time. If electronics help then so be it.

 

I also like when scores are posted on the uspsa website. It's great to see how many a's b's c's, etc you shot. Would love to see CJ and OB post the scores there.

A reasonable amount of time used to be 1-3 weeks for scores to be posted.

I think everyone is expected to do the basic pasting and setting steel, same with tearing down stages... That is actually the easiest part of doing the match.

 

The tough part is designing the stages, doing the scoresheets, match registration, building the stages the day of the match, walking them through to make sure there are no stage issues, new shooter briefs, squadding.

 

After the match, it is getting all the score sheets, putting everyone into the match scoring software, then putting in the scores.

 

Beyond it, is the actual running the match and all the backoffice stuff required, sending scores and payments to USPSA, getting winners paid etc.

 

I am sure there is alot more that Vlad and others do which I cannot even imagine.

 

With the exception of the past 2 months, I have done the scores for CJ for the past year, and it takes anywhere between 3 to 6 hours to do the scores. Palms will cut about an hour or two out of it, but it is still a huge time commitment.

 

The fact is, no matter how you cut it, it still takes a shit ton of time.

 

Meanwhile, most people are content with sitting in their chairs complaining that the match does not start at 10AM.... The stages need to be built, and a fraction actually show up to help out. Even when you can clearly see the stages are not up, very seldom will anyone come up and see if they can help, most will just BS with friends.

 

Secondly, for CJ, I typically design a stage... why? Because I enjoy it, but because otherwise, there is not enough help. Vlad and Matt would do 20 different things. I would love to do registration into the scoring software as people register, the issue, from scoring perspective... people cannot add up numbers, and most of all, not enough people want to help, besides as you say, the hard work of pasting targets and setting steel.

 

It is a volunteer sport, so if you want to help.... contact any of the match directors and offer your help. Come out early and build stages.

 

Online squadding works when everyone pre-registers, or at a major match where there are very few or no walk ons at all.

 

I would love to have palm scoring, but from even todays match, on a squad of 14, we only had 3 or 4 people who knew, or were comfortable with palms, and half of them were RO's. Short of forcing someone to learn how to score via the palms, not that it is too difficult, that is what we have.

 

Hey Maks next time we shoot some place that has palms get to me early and show me how to use them please I have never scored uspsa at all in sheets or palms but I am willing to help. I just don't want to be learning how to score for my first time in a match with a palm and screw stuff up. As a matter of fact if I shoot uspsa cj this month I will learn how to score in sheets so it will make it easier to learn on the palm

Actually I sholdnt say just Maks anyone that can show me In the forum squad please let me know

In - Squad 3

Come out early and build stages.

 

 

I would love to have palm scoring, but from even todays match, on a squad of 14, we only had 3 or 4 people who knew, or were comfortable with palms, and half of them were RO's. Short of forcing someone to learn how to score via the palms, not that it is too difficult, that is what we have.

That's what I did yesterday, get out early (8am) and helped Matt build a stage, and you are right about the people sitting around and BSing. I guess on one hand it's OK; too many cooks ruin the soup. But at the same time I was astounded at how many people were walking through the stage before it was done.

 

I'd never used the Palm before and learned (Baptism by fire) quickly. It's pretty easy and it (the entire process) works much easier if the tapers wait until the RO calls for tapers and the palm operator follows the RO listening for scores.

Will I be able to sign up for USPSA at the match?

Will I be able to sign up for USPSA at the match?

 

Yes. You pay the $40 in dues and shoot the match for free.

Hey Maks next time we shoot some place that has palms get to me early and show me how to use them please I have never scored uspsa at all in sheets or palms but I am willing to help. I just don't want to be learning how to score for my first time in a match with a palm and screw stuff up. As a matter of fact if I shoot uspsa cj this month I will learn how to score in sheets so it will make it easier to learn on the palm

 

Just speak up at a match to someone scoring with the palms. It takes about an extra 1-2 minutes per shooter for a few shooters to get the basics across, if that. Worst case they follow you around watching you score for a bit after that which takes the same time as scoring would anyway. Unless the squads are small and it means one less person nobody can spare, it's not a big deal and nearly always worth the effort of showing someone who actively wants to help out.

 

As for the other posters asking about electronic scoring and complaining about CJ. Do your CJ complaining in a CJ thread. I've made one jsut for it here.

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/39548-whining-about-scores-electronic-scoring-and-online-squadding-and-manpower-shortages-cj-edition/

Fun match as always.

 

Glad to see some familiar faces along with some new faces. I think we had one DQ...on another squad, props to the shooter for stopping before what seems like RO even noticed.

 

James, so what did you think of your first USPSA match?

 

For anyone trying to get more proficient with their firearm, this is absolutely the way to do it... even if you have NO interest in competing for score.

 

Lastly, we already have very few people able or willing to run the palms or the electronic devices... meanwhile, anyone can be handed a scoreboard.

 

I don't know when it happened but at 45 I would have been able to use the Palm device, like someone hit the switch at 46 and these days I would need my readers to see the dang thing and I won' wear them at the range so until we get something I can see I'll score when we have paper score sheets, in the mean time, I'll RO and help keep the stages and squad moving.

James, so what did you think of your first USPSA match?

 

It was definitely different from IDPA - I'm not sure which one I fit in with better at this point but I did enjoy the wider variety of stages that were involved. Also, the steel stage made me it's Beotch so that was embarrassing.

Don't fall in love with steel.

 

James, come shoot USPSA Central Jersey next Sunday, it is what a more traditional USPSA match is. =)

 

Shongum is a terrific match, however some stage designs are more limited based on the space avail and all. CJ and OB are more like 6 or 7 stages like Stage 4 and 5 at shongum.

Don't fall in love with steel.

 

James, come shoot USPSA Central Jersey next Sunday, it is what a more traditional USPSA match is. =)

 

Shongum is a terrific match, however some stage designs are more limited based on the space avail and all. CJ and OB are more like 6 or 7 stages like Stage 4 and 5 at shongum.

 

I'm out of shooting until my knee get's looked at. MRI scheduled for Tuesday - yesterday didn't help things, it's all locked up today... oops.

Scores are up already.

Scores are up already.

 

Where?

https://www.practiscore.com//