A friends mother gave him all of his grandfathers long guns. Does he need an FID to have them in his house? Does he need an FID to transport them to a range or to an FFL?

Are both residents of NJ? If so, your "friend" needs a FPID and both must fill out a COE for each long gun. If different states, the firearms must go through a dealer in either state. He still needs a FPID to take possession. No FPID is needed to possess or transport to a range.

What's a COE? I thought as long as the firearms in question are NJ-legal (and not handguns), all that is required is an FID, whether purchased in-state or brought in from out-of-state.

If the guns were inherited threw a will then no no permits or id's are needed but if they were just given then yes some kind of transfer paperwork is necessary

What's a COE? I thought as long as the firearms in question are NJ-legal (and not handguns), all that is required is an FID, whether purchased in-state or brought in from out-of-state.

Certificate Of Eligibility

So, this COE only needs to be filled out when? If I buy a used firearm from someone? Because it's not filled out with the purchase of a new firearm in NJ, is it? (All my current firearms were brought into the state, by me, not purchased here.)

The COE needs to be done for any acquisition of a long gun while a NJ resident either through a dealer or doing a face to face with a non-licensee.

I'm trying to understand this, .... it says the seller (whether a dealer or not) fills out and keeps one copy of the COE, and the buyer fills out and keeps the other copy of the COE. No copies ever go to law enforcement? What is the point?

 

I'm also confused as it doesn't seem to be mentioned in this part of the nj law:

 

• There is currently no mandatory firearm registration in effect in NJ. If you move to NJ with firearms you must be sure they are NJ legal but there is no need to register them in any way with the state.
  
• Guns purchased while a NJ resident must be purchased within the guidelines of the state. All guns owned by NJ residents must be NJ legal.
  

 

...unless "purchased within the guidelines of the state" means "a CEO must be filled out"... but if a copy doesn't go to law enforcement, how would they ever know, and what difference would it make? I'm a bit confused on this one.

I'm trying to understand this, .... it says the seller (whether a dealer or not) fills out and keeps one copy of the COE, and the buyer fills out and keeps the other copy of the COE. No copies ever go to law enforcement? No What is the point? It is the law. You are stating that you are not a prohibited person.

 

I'm also confused as it doesn't seem to be mentioned in this part of the nj law:

• There is currently no mandatory firearm registration in effect in NJ. If you move to NJ with firearms you must be sure they are NJ legal but there is no need to register them in any way with the state.
  
• Guns purchased while a NJ resident must be purchased within the guidelines of the state. All guns owned by NJ residents must be NJ legal.
  

You copied and pasted the above from where? Not from the NJ Statutes, so not the law. But still true.

 

...unless "purchased within the guidelines of the state" means "a CEO must be filled out"... but if a copy doesn't go to law enforcement, how would they ever know, and what difference would it make? It is law. Follow it or risk the chance of going to jail. I'm a bit confused on this one.

 

I thought that was the purpose of the FID... to "prove you are not a prohibited person"...?

I thought that was the purpose of the FID... to "prove you are not a prohibited person"...?

 

And since one had acquired their FPID umpteen years ago, one has not broken the law since? A FPID only shows that on the issue date, one was not a prohibited person. The COE is for the acquirer to swear that they are not now prohibited on the date of acquisition.

And since one had acquired their FPID umpteen years ago, one has not broken the law since? A FPID only shows that on the issue date, one was not a prohibited person. The COE is for the acquirer to swear that they are not now prohibited on the date of acquisition.

 

Hmm... you would think then, that NJ would make you fill out a COE for every purchase of everything all the time... including ammo.... (give them time...)

Hmm... you would think then, that NJ would make you fill out a COE for every purchase of everything all the time... including ammo.... (give them time...)

A COE also provides ready proof for a seller (especially in private sales) that the transfer was done legally.

 

Imagine this scenario: I buy a shotgun from ABC gun shop, I decide to sell it to you FTF, you decide to rob a bank with it and get caught in the process. The cops ask you where you got the shotgun, you will tell them from me. If I don't have a COE for the transfer and didn't verify you have an FID, I will have a problem. If I do have a COE and checked your credentials, I should come out of the transaction without a problem.

A COE also provides ready proof for a seller (especially in private sales) that the transfer was done legally.

 

Imagine this scenario: I buy a shotgun from ABC gun shop, I decide to sell it to you FTF, you decide to rob a bank with it and get caught in the process. The cops ask you where you got the shotgun, you will tell them from me. If I don't have a COE for the transfer and didn't verify you have an FID, I will have a problem. If I do have a COE and checked your credentials, I should come out of the transaction without a problem.

 

Excellent explanation/reasoning. Thanks.