Lets make this a Hypothetical situation for this questions purpose.

 

Lets say a person inherits a case of firearms, and after you have gone through them, you find that one may be of legal question here in New Jersey. Apart from calling my local Police Department and turning it in, Is there a way that you can legally transfer or gift to another person who is in a nother state? For the sake of saving history? Instead of meeting the incenerator??

 

I will throw this out there. Not an automatic. Bolt action. Has to do with a bayonette issue being attached to the gun. I would assume that just by dismantling the bayonet would be fine..

 

By the way, Anybody know how to read Russian???

 

Edit: Title changed

If it's a boltie w. a bayo, you that person has nothing to worry about.

Someone correct me if I am wrong but you can have a bayonet on a bolt action gun, evil features only apply on semi-autos.

Someone correct me if I am wrong but you can have a bayonet on a bolt action gun, evil features only apply on semi-autos.

 

I think ur right

Read up NJ laws in the pinned section of the forum. I had a similar problem not understanding NJ laws.

 

So now that we ve determned that a bolt action with a bayo is legal , post a pic.

There s a lot of NJGFers who read russian.....me also.

Send a pic on smilevec at gmail.com and i ll tell you what it says.

 

 

 

 

If its this then you are a very lucky guy

 

 

Damanjanblues I could only wish!!! I think Russian, but could be other! Nothing fancy about this gun.

 

That is in the stock

Its a mannlicher carcano.........an italian rifle,

Some of those were used by the Nazi s , i think i saw a weimar eagle on the 2nd photo......also i see 7.9 so i think its one of the German converted carcanos

 

http://world.guns.ru/rifle/repeating-rifle/it/carcano-m91-e.html

 

Probably member usnmars will chi,e in soon as he is the milsurp guru around here.......and give more accurate info and history....

 

You may want to change the topic to Help me identify this rifle instead of what it is so not to create confusion with the state troopers who are reading this forum .....

Probably member usnmars will chi,e in soon as he is the milsurp guru around here.......and give more accurate info and history....

 

You may want to change the topic to Help me identify this rifle

 

Noted and thank you

Its a mannlicher carcano.........an italian rifle,

Some of those were used by the Nazi s , i think i saw a weimar eagle on the 2nd photo......also i see 7.9 so i think its one of the German converted carcanos

 

http://world.guns.ru/rifle/repeating-rifle/it/carcano-m91-e.html

 

I do believe it is an eagle also. I thought that was a possibility. Maybe it is worth keeping for a while. Doesn't seam to be operable though

Its a mannlicher carcano.........an italian rifle,

Some of those were used by the Nazi s , i think i saw a weimar eagle on the 2nd photo......also i see 7.9 so i think its one of the German converted carcanos

 

http://world.guns.ru...cano-m91-e.html

 

 

 

6.5mm Carcano M91 Moschetto da Cavalleria (cavalry carbine).

Definitely looks like that

 

 

Edit for correct Model

Edited October 10, 201214 yr by mattio41

Here is what i got from wikipedia

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcano

 

 

Since the 1980s, several lots of Moschetti M91/38 TS (special troops' carbines) chambered for the German 8×57mm Mauser sS heavy ball round, have appeared on the surplus markets. Two small batches of Moschetti M91/38 TS carbines shows barrels marked 1938 and 1941, but they were not used at these times with any Italian forces, and their peculiar serial numbering suggests that these might just be rebored unused surplus barrels that were converted with other ones after 1945. Many 7.92 mm Carcano carbines were apparently exported to Egypt after World War II, where they served as drill and training carbines. Several also bear Israeli armed forces markings. The occasionally used model moniker "Model 1943 (M43)" for these converted 7.92mm rifles is wrong, as they were never so designated by the Italian military.

German forces captured large quantities of Carcanos after Italy's capitulation in September 1943. It was the most commonly issued rifle to the German Volkssturm ("People's Militia") units in late 1944 and 1945.[6]

It is a.carcano....waffenampt.marked...... $$$

 

Cavalry carbine....

 

Lucky ...wanna sell it...lol

Well, I guess lets clean it up a little and see what that looks like

So here is another picture I took this morning. Tried getting as close as I could with my cell phone camera. Didn't have time to break out the other camera. But overall, it is looking pretty convincing.

 

 

Took this next picture from the internet for comparison.

 

I don't think u need to convince yourself anymore....better overall picks would be neat to see....what makes u think it isn't operable?

I don't think u need to convince yourself anymore....better overall picks would be neat to see....what makes u think it isn't operable?

 

Agreed. The gun itself is in "Poor"condition for starters. Looks like it has not been cleaned in 50 years. hahaha, so a fair amount of rust in and outside the barrel. Everything needs to be tightened on it, Very loosely put together at the moment. But most of all, when I rack the bolt back. And pull the trigger, there is nothing. So, I am pretty sure it needs some internal parts or springs.

Agreed. The gun itself is in "Poor"condition for starters. Looks like it has not been cleaned in 50 years. hahaha, so a fair amount of rust in and outside the barrel. Everything needs to be tightened on it, Very loosely put together at the moment. But most of all, when I rack the bolt back. And pull the trigger, there is nothing. So, I am pretty sure it needs some internal parts or springs.

 

Could just be all gummed up inside.

dont 'clean' it other then running a brush down the barrel and general cleaning/oiling. do NOT attempt to take off any of the rust. if its worth anything, its worth more with whats left of the original finish and natural patina then if you ran scotchbrite or steel wool over it.

dont 'clean' it other then running a brush down the barrel and general cleaning/oiling. do NOT attempt to take off any of the rust. if its worth anything, its worth more with whats left of the original finish and natural patina then if you ran scotchbrite or steel wool over it.

 

There is the question. I agree, you are right, that you should not scrub the natural finish that is left. The barrel, is probably fully rusted, I will see what I can do anout actually getting better pictures in the next few days.

If you want to get it up to us for a 'refurb' and checkout let me know

So, I decided to do a little more research to this, and submitted the question question to Gunvaluesboard.com. It was an interesting response :

 

 

 

Hi

These were converted in late 1940s by isralies in their 1949 war....they had German AMMO and mausers from WWII (enemy surplus given by the US)and didnt want to buy Italian ammo ..so they just changed barrels and kept the old stamps on the barrels etc...curio and relic...no real category for collecting.

But a nice part of history.

Hope this helps