Well, it looks like this small arms treaty is back and could become relevant during the "lame duck" session. I don't see how this could supersede our Constitution but it seems these progressives really don't care:

 

http://dickmorris.ra...s-trade-treaty/

 

Now advocates of the Treaty, as we predicted, are back and have introduced a resolution in the UN General Assembly calling for the resumption of negotiations and outlining a new procedure to get it passed even if the US objects.

Under their plan – likely to be approved later this month by the General Assembly – the negotiators are not going to seek consensus (read: US approval) but will write the Treaty as they please and introduce it to the General Assembly for approval. If two-thirds of the Assembly vote for the treaty (a foregone conclusion), then it will be submitted to the nations of the world for signature and ratification. Nobody will be able to change the Treaty, they have the option of signing or not.

When sixty nations have signed, the Treaty will take effect and be binding on those who have signed and ratified it.

Here’s the rest of the plan: After the election is over, Obama and Hillary will probably sign the Treaty. They then won’t submit it for ratification since, under the Vienna Convention, it takes effect automatically on their signature even without Senate ratification. That means that the Treaty takes full effect unless one of two things happen:

(a) either the Senate votes to kill the Treaty, or

(b) The president or a future president renounces it

Wow. That link is so full of FAIL, there's not enough time to tackle it all. But when I read this -

They then won’t submit it for ratification since, under the Vienna Convention, it takes effect automatically on their signature even without Senate ratification.

- My B.S. flag went up. So I read the Vienna Convention, and nowhere in its text does it say that any treaty goes into effect without ratification. In fact, it talks extensively about how it has to be ratified in order for a nation to be bound by it.

 

For those who didn't know, the Vienna Convention is the U.N. treaty that defines the rules for all future treaties.

 

We need to keep an eye on the UN gun control agenda, but this particular sounding of the alarm is just tinfoil hat stuff.

 

ETA: Well, I went to dickmorris.com and on the main page he has a link to his book. The title? "Here Come The Black Helicopters!"

sent!

sent!

 

Keep us posted on how much spam you get from dickmorris.com. I have a feeling this is just a way to grow their mailing list.

 

ETA: SAF founder Alan Gottlieb and his wife founded IAPCAR, which is the international version of SAF. They fought the treaty when it was being discussed this year. Go there for the latest info. Since they don't have anything about this, I don't put too much faith in dickmorris.com.

Wow. That link is so full of FAIL, there's not enough time to tackle it all. But when I read this - - My B.S. flag went up. So I read the Vienna Convention, and nowhere in its text does it say that any treaty goes into effect without ratification. In fact, it talks extensively about how it has to be ratified in order for a nation to be bound by it.[/color][/size][/font]

 

For those who didn't know, the Vienna Convention is the U.N. treaty that defines the rules for all future treaties.

 

We need to keep an eye on the UN gun control agenda, but this particular sounding of the alarm is just tinfoil hat stuff.

 

ETA: Well, I went to dickmorris.com and on the main page he has a link to his book. The title? "Here Come The Black Helicopters!"

 

Thanks for setting me straight on that... very good information you posted and good to hear. Moderator, if you want to delete this post go ahead.

Thanks for setting me straight on that... very good information you posted and good to hear. Moderator, if you want to delete this post go ahead.

 

No problem. Though, I would leave the thread in case somebody else hears about this through another forum and reposts it here. Better to have all the information preserved.

Dick Morris cares about one thing: Dick Morris.

Wow. That link is so full of FAIL, there's not enough time to tackle it all. But when I read this - - My B.S. flag went up. So I read the Vienna Convention, and nowhere in its text does it say that any treaty goes into effect without ratification. In fact, it talks extensively about how it has to be ratified in order for a nation to be bound by it.[/color][/size][/font]

 

For those who didn't know, the Vienna Convention is the U.N. treaty that defines the rules for all future treaties.

 

We need to keep an eye on the UN gun control agenda, but this particular sounding of the alarm is just tinfoil hat stuff.

 

ETA: Well, I went to dickmorris.com and on the main page he has a link to his book. The title? "Here Come The Black Helicopters!"

 

Pretty much spot on brother.

 

One thing to add about the Vienna Convention (1968), its only allows for a country's representative to agree to the treaty's wording. It still has to go through that countries legal process to become official to them. So, technically there is no back handed, illegal way to get a treaty passed here unless there is a super majority vote to change the constitution. Which won't happen. Ever.

The UN can't effectively influence impoverished third world hell holes, why does everyone think they can make first world nations do something?

The UN can't effectively influence impoverished third world hell holes, why does everyone think they can make first world nations do something?

 

Power perceived is power achieved.

 

As long as people think the UN can do something, then the UN 'will do something'.

 

Power perceived is power achieved.

 

As long as people think the UN can do something, then the UN 'will do something'.

 

Find me a person who thinks the UN can do anything more than pimp out juveniles in third world hell holes.

 

 

Find me a person who thinks the UN can do anything more than pimp out juveniles in third world hell holes.

 

Dick Morris, NAGR, orginizations that thrive on fear mongering.

 

The UN only has power in 3rd world countries. Which the U.S. would become if Obama wins a third term.

Sky Blue has a lot of contrast and is readily Visible....

The UN only has power in 3rd world countries. Which the U.S. would become if Obama wins a third term.

 

Beyond pimping out little girls and taking bribes? The ONLY times they seem to be taken seriously are when the US military mobilizes on their behalf. I would argue that is not the UN being taken seriously.

Passed overwhelmingly.

154 to 3........

Iran, Syria and North Korea voted against it.

23 abstentions

Supreme court has already ruled that treaties don't supersede the US constitution

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/02/un-adopts-arms-treaty-global-weapons-trade_n_2999505.html

 

The treaty will not control the domestic use of weapons in any country, but it will require countries that ratify it to establish national regulations to control the transfer of conventional arms, parts and components and to regulate arms brokers.

Supreme court has already ruled that treaties don't supersede the US constitution

 

Does the current administration care at all about the law of the land? They can not be trusted...And the UN should be bulldozed and in it's place we can put something useful...Like a parking lot, or a huge new range...

They want to try us all in the World Court like they did to Dr. Evil

Does the current administration care at all about the law of the land? They can not be trusted...And the UN should be bulldozed and in it's place we can put something useful...Like a parking lot, or a huge new range...

 

water park

....there's a new war coming.... and it will be here.

 

Why you think they are doing what they are doing?

 

 

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Typos courtesy Apple...

154 to 3........

Iran, Syria and North Korea voted against it.

23 abstentions

 

It's still not done. It has to be ratified by 50 sates (UN members, not talking US here), and depending on who does or doesn't the thing is once again dead as a doornail.

 

Even if it is passed, it doesn't supercede US law, even if ratified by the senate, which I doubt it would be. Nobody is offering bags of cash to sign this, people will for protecting existing businesses.

 

Nobody is offering bags of cash to sign this, people will for protecting existing businesses.

Is this fact? With our current administration's all out grab for our firearms...... How hard is it to print up a few million dollars....

Would this treaty stop imports into the us from overseas? Ak's, mosins, cz's, most milsurp and almost 40% of everything else?

How about milsurp ammo?

 

DONE.

sent

Pretty much spot on brother.

 

One thing to add about the Vienna Convention (1968), its only allows for a country's representative to agree to the treaty's wording. It still has to go through that countries legal process to become official to them. So, technically there is no back handed, illegal way to get a treaty passed here unless there is a super majority vote to change the constitution. Which won't happen. Ever.

 

That's right.

 

Quoting from the US constitution, Article II, section 2:

http://www.senate.go...ion.htm#a2_sec2

 

...

He [the President]shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments...

 

Now, all those decrying the partisanship, the gridlock in Washington, care to rethink their position?

That's great! if Italy, Germany, Russia, do ratify it, good luck getting imports from Walther, h&k, SIG, Beretta, saiga, fiocchi, rws, tulammo and many others! This treaty will be a disaster for gun owners!