So my 2nd Uncle in Law (if there is such a thing) just gifted me a nice shotgun. Its a Smith and Wesson 3000 model - 12 gauge with a folding stock and 5+1.

 

Loving it and its a beauty! He bought it in the 70's he told me and its been taken care of. Curious to know what the value on this might be (NO- not selling- just curious since I didn't know S&W made shotguns). He also wanted to know and advised I ask on the forum.

 

 

Wow i like it. Normally i dont like shotguns with folding stocks... but this is nice

my 32nd blue book is showing that it should be a model 3000 POLICE. came in parkerized which yours looks like it is, and shows many combinations of finishes, stock types and other combat accessories. Value in 98% is $255, 95% $215, 90% IS $185. and so on.

my 32nd blue book is showing that it should be a model 3000 POLICE. came in parkerized which yours looks like it is, and shows many combinations of finishes, stock types and other combat accessories. Value in 98% is $255, 95% $215, 90% IS $185. and so on.

 

thank you!

These guns, to my knowledge, were actually produced by Howa for S&W.

Lol ya they do my FIL has a 35+ year old SW shotgun and it's a semi auto, he's gonna bring it out nov 4 at the Clinton meet. He used it at lehigh this year also. I had to google how to take it apart talk about a million piece shotgun and YouTube only had 3 videos on the gun lol.

These guns, to my knowledge, were actually produced by Howa for S&W.

 

Huh. Well Howa-bout that?

 

 

*yuck yuck yuck*

 

 

Huh. Well Howa-bout that?

 

 

*yuck yuck yuck*

 

 

 

It's imprinted with Manufactured in Japan.

 

Waiting on Parker, or Pizza Bob

What do you want me to say? S&W has dabbled in long guns (other than EBR's) for a long time. The shotgun in this thread was made by Howa, in Japan. Its predecessor, the model 916 was actually manufactured in this country by S&W in a separate facility.

 

Rifles marked S&W were made by Husqvarna (models A, B, C, D, & E) and the 1500 through 1700 series were made by Howa.

 

This one's for you Ray Ray - there are rumors (and a photocopied page from a German magazine) that say that S&W built a box magazine-fed full-auto 12 ga shotgun prototype, that bore a passing resemblence to an M16 - never been confirmed.

 

All of the above from the S&W Bible - Supica & Nahas

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

I've always said S&W or Ruger need to jump on the tactical shotgun market with either a pump shotgun or a box magazine feed semi auto.

 

Thanks Bob

What do you want me to say? S&W has dabbled in long guns (other than EBR's) for a long time. The shotgun in this thread was made by Howa, in Japan. Its predecessor, the model 916 was actually manufactured in this country by S&W in a separate facility.

 

Rifles marked S&W were made by Husqvarna (models A, B, C, D, & E) and the 1500 through 1700 series were made by Howa.

 

This one's for you Ray Ray - there are rumors (and a photocopied page from a German magazine) that say that S&W built a box magazine-fed full-auto 12 ga shotgun prototype, that bore a passing resemblence to an M16 - never been confirmed.

 

All of the above from the S&W Bible - Supica & Nahas

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

Those Husqvarna bolt action's were beautifully made rifles. I found a high grade model this summer in a collection and the lucky buyer paid only $250 for it.

 

S&W sold and recently discontinued a line of SxS's. They can still be found on the broker sites. Bill Hanus scooped up a bunch of them and is still selling them on his website. (May Bill RIP.) Only gripe folks had with them is they were made in Turkey.

There was a dealer at the Harrisburg show selling a bunch of Howa made S&W police surplus shotguns with the fixed stock back in March.

I have a 916 since about 1975 and picked up an Eastfield recently. They are good utility grade shotguns. The single action bar is the only downside. S&W owned the LE handgun market at that time and wanted to get the shotgun market but it was a bad idea for them. It would be the same as Remington (who owned the LE shotgun market then) thinking they could come out with a line of handguns to take that away from S&W.

I have a 916 since about 1975 and picked unedp an Eastfield recently. They are good utility grade shotguns. The singlt action bar is the only downside. S&W owned the LE handgun market at that time and wanted to get the shotgun market but it was a bad idea for them. It would be the same as Remington (who owned the LE shotgun market then) thinking they could come out with a line of handguns to take that away from S&W.

 

Griz,

 

I would have to disagree with this statement. Double action slide bars are a solution to a problem that never existed. The Remington Model 17, which evolved into the Remington Model 31, which later became the Ithaca Model 37; all have a single action bar. And they are probably the slickest of all pump actions made. The Winchester Model 97 and Model 12 also had a single action bar. And their design, smoothness and strength are legendary.

 

PS - I remember when S&W made ammunition in the 70's into the 80's. They seemed to have spread themselves thin at that time trying to be all things in the market when they were a Bangor Punta Company.

We had them in the Armory when I started with the DOC some twenty years ago. They worked well for what they were, as already mentioned, a solid utility grade pump gun. Ours were primarily blued, which wasn't necessarily the best finish for a bang around service weapon. They functioned like a Remy 870, and the folding stock was nice, if lacking in a cheek weld. Most preferred the 870s that were replacing them at the time. I was told they came as part of a package deal, with the S&W Model 66 revolvers we carried at the time, and hung a round for a bit through the 4046s we transitioned to...

 

 

Griz,

 

I would have to disagree with this statement. Double action slide bars are a solution to a problem that never existed. The Remington Model 17, which evolved into the Remington Model 31, which later became the Ithaca Model 37; all have a single action bar. And they are probably the slickest of all pump actions made. The Winchester Model 97 and Model 12 also had a single action bar. And their design, smoothness and strength are legendary.

 

PS - I remember when S&W made ammunition in the 70's into the 80's. They seemed to have spread themselves thin at that time trying to be all things in the market when they were a Bangor Punta Company.

 

If you get a spent shell stuck in the chamber during a fight, the most expeditious way of clearing it is to grab the fore end with both hands and with the muzzle pointed up smack the butt against the ground as hard as you can. I have seen S&W and Ithaca single action bar shotguns bend the action bar doing this. Bend it enough to disable the gun. Not all the time, not even most of the time, but enough to give it consideration. You then have a club instead of a gun. I've seen a lot more 870s cleared in this and have never seen action bars getting bent.

 

Not condemning single action bar shotguns but something to consider.

I have a 916 since about 1975 and picked up an Eastfield recently. They are good utility grade shotguns. The single action bar is the only downside. S&W owned the LE handgun market at that time and wanted to get the shotgun market but it was a bad idea for them. It would be the same as Remington (who owned the LE shotgun market then) thinking they could come out with a line of handguns to take that away from S&W.

 

The SW's were good Shotguns, and made good Duty pool weapons. At the time though, they were trying to compete with Ithaca and Remington who pretty much Owned that part of the market. While they sold a bunch of them, it wasnt enough to keep the line going.

If you get a spent shell stuck in the chamber during a fight, the most expeditious way of clearing it is to grab the fore end with both hands and with the muzzle pointed up smack the butt against the ground as hard as you can. I have seen S&W and Ithaca single action bar shotguns bend the action bar doing this. Bend it enough to disable the gun. Not all the time, not even most of the time, but enough to give it consideration. You then have a club instead of a gun. I've seen a lot more 870s cleared in this and have never seen action bars getting bent.

 

Not condemning single action bar shotguns but something to consider.

 

Agreed.

 

As a duty weapon, I could see why the double slide bars would be preferred for pounding out a stuck round. The way the forend attaches on the Remington is better than the Ithaca. I've seen "pounded" Ithaca's shear the tiny threads on the forend's end cap before bending the bar. The weak link in the stuck case proposition is the extractor, not the slide bars. The single extractor of the Remington is less advantageous that the dual Ithaca or Winchester extractors. When Remington introduced the 870, their only real competition at the time was the M12 or M37. "Dual" certainly sounded better, and its intent was to limit binding. Early Mossberg 500's had a single action bar too, but couldn't compare in quality to some of the guns mentioned at the time. Mossberg's today now have dual action bars. Dual bars are the way to go today, and the Mossberg's and Remington's popularity bear that out.