Just a heads up the Attorney General approved the use of ECD (electronic Control Devices) in the sate of NJ as of last year. NJ is the last state in the union to approve and integrate them into the police forces. Last week NJ state police trained and deployed 40 police officers into Camden and Newark armed with the latest; X2 device from TASER International. All NJ approved devices have to have an on board camera so we will never see the X-REP as far as I am concerned. We will eventually see nearly every NJ cop armed with this device. NJ approved 3 devices that include TASER International's X-26 and X-2 as well as a knock off brand that I can't remember.

 

If you have any questions about this feel free to ask I have the teacher who taught the State Police who are equipped with TASER. I'll share what I know and can tell. I opened this because I am interested in what you personally think about this. Post away!!!

 

-Mike

 

TASER X2

 

TASER X-26

 

This is the TASER X2 with NJ legal camera under the grip. NJ models will be all yellow except for SWAT applications. Please note that this may cause problems for video capture due to the positioning of the camera.

I honestly don't know much about tazers/stun guns. But (I believe) these are designed to be non-lethal weapons, and I have read to many stories about people dying after having a stun gun used on them. Therefore, I think there must be a safer non-lethal alternative. JMHO...

Sweet...I can't wait to be trained. Looking forward to being tazed for training

Sweet...I can't wait to be trained. Looking forward to being tazed for training

 

Our jail is already looking into it.. my last training class we were told that the ag does not require you to be tazed in order to carry one.... only cert guys will carry it in our jail anyway

John P. yes but it was proved to circumstantial because the decedents had high levels of drugs. There are 9 cases in North America so far where police have reached for their TASER but pulled their lethal means. There are cases where the TASER has ignited pepper spray resulting in death or where the decedent fell to his death after being hit. There is no proof where a person has died specifically due to TASER products. Proper training will prevent these happenings.

 

Bluelinefish it will be a few years before it trickles down to you. It is $1200-1400 for the X2 and then they must buy the $600-800 camera. Each officer is required to fire the TASER 6 times per year for training and upkeep. Cartridges are $22 each. You're looking at a LARGE budget so it may be awhile. Also when it's your turn ask for one probe to lower thigh-buttock and the other to central back for maximum affect!

 

HIT ME WITH MORE QUESTIONS!!!

John P. yes but it was proved to circumstantial because the decedents had high levels of drugs. There are 9 cases in North America so far where police have reached for their TASER but pulled their lethal means. There are cases where the TASER has ignited pepper spray resulting in death or where the decedent fell to his death after being hit. There is no proof where a person has died specifically due to TASER products. Proper training will prevent these happenings.

 

Bluelinefish it will be a few years before it trickles down to you. It is $1200-1400 for the X2 and then they must buy the $600-800 camera. Each officer is required to fire the TASER 6 times per year for training and upkeep. Cartridges are $22 each. You're looking at a LARGE budget so it may be awhile.

 

HIT ME WITH MORE QUESTIONS!!!

 

Just shoot the taser 6x not be shot right. Idc i wanna try it haha

 

 

Our jail is already looking into it.. my last training class we were told that the ag does not require you to be tazed in order to carry one.... only cert guys will carry it in our jail anyway

 

Where do you work.... We only have like 3 people trained lol

At least they're moving forward..somewhat. the ORIGINAL AG Letter from Dow was so restrictive that Nobody wanted any part of it, since only Supervisors would be allowed to carry them (or members of the departmental SWAT team if they had one) and the number of people allowed to be qualified in Total in the dept depended on the population of the coverage area of that agency. IIRC My Dept could have 2.. John, AFAIK EVERY single instance of a Taser being cited in a fatality also had some other underlying issue as well, ranging from high levels of drugs in the decedent's system, to other health problems. Kind of like Pepper Spray. In the end Knowing NJ and the AG's office as I do, I predict that the first couple of people who actually USE their tasers will be Vilified and tossed right under the bus, and nobody will want to EVER use them because it'll just be too much hassle.

Yee ha! I have a morbid love of watching videos of dumb asses getting tased.

 

Watching Jersey dumb asses getting tased is going to be sublime!

 

 

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Look at the AGs guidelines for deployment. Very limited.

I was one of the 70 or so firearms/use of force instructors trained to be a Taser Instructor at the NJSP Academy in Sea Girt last December. Since then, I have taught the first three classes to certify Taser X2 end users in this State, starting last April, with at least one agency carrying it on the road full time since then, and a few carrying them only on certain kinds of calls. More than 12 municipal agencies in my county have had at least one person certified to carry the Taser X2 since last April, and most now have 4-6 officers trained. These devices are getting down to the road dogs pretty quickly.

 

The X2 is a good device and I foresee it being a useful tool, if used correctly. NJ Use of Force Policy is very strict on this device, but not insurmountable, so time will tell how it will be deployed.

 

The other device authorized by the AG's office is manufactured by a company called Carbon Arms and is similar to the X26.

 

FYI: as per Taser, X-Rep system has been discontinued except for military purchases.

 

I honestly don't know much about tazers/stun guns. But (I believe) these are designed to be non-lethal weapons, and I have read to many stories about people dying after having a stun gun used on them. Therefore, I think there must be a safer non-lethal alternative. JMHO...

 

Johnp, these types of devices, along with beanbag rounds, rubber bullets, etc... are termed "less-lethal" vice "non-lethal". Any time force has to be used the potential to cause death is there, that includes empty handed techniques, batons, OC/chemical, impact, mechanical, and enhanced mechanical. There is no "non" lethal force. There is just tools that are less likely to cause death, either by design or function.

 

Sweet...I can't wait to be trained. Looking forward to being tazed for training

 

Sorry BLF. The AG's office expressly forbids voluntary exposure during training and certification. No rides for end users.

 

Our jail is already looking into it.. my last training class we were told that the ag does not require you to be tazed in order to carry one.... only cert guys will carry it in our jail anyway

 

Sorry cguiro, policies for the use of the device in the jails is still under development and I don't see that bridge getting crossed for a while yet.

 

Look at the AGs guidelines for deployment. Very limited.

 

Yes blksheep, it is far from perfect but it is not as bad as it could be. I foresee it becoming more lax as the devices start being used correctly, and the results showing Officer and offender injuries decreasing.

Boo..AG = no fun

 

 

Where do you work.... We only have like 3 people trained lol

 

Ocean county jail.. we dont have them yet..we were told they will be getting them