So I added to the collection of shotguns in my portfolio with the Bad Mother Trucker... I had almost purchased one of these back in summer 2010 when they were barely $500 ... there was the import scare earlier a year or so ago sending the popularity (and price) of these sky higher and for a time scare ... Now the talk is with the presidents re-election these could be the first type of firearm to go, so I figured better get now while the getting is good. It was either this or a scope for my new Remington 700, which I am hoping I will get with some sort of Christmas savings deal, so I figured the scope can wait (Although I must admit I feel hopelessly helpless having a bolt action tactical 'sniper rifle' with no scope, basically its useless lol).

 

As I talked to a few people on here about with in Chat, I had experienced the Pending delay at CMO on Saturday... it was craziness. Lets just say in retrospect that was the highlight of my experiences with them, and having accepted ownership of this fine Russian autoloader, that will most likely be the last dime I spend there, ever. Yesterday my picking-up experience was just so blood-boiling I literally had to just bite my lip, shut my mouth, grit and grin and bear it and walk out. But hey I got a Saiga 12 out of it right?

 

I snapped a few pics of the bad boy. I will most likely be putting an EOTech on there, which I was going to pick up from CMO as they now have a much expanded accessory section ( remember being told in early 2010 that "that $*** doesn't sell, if you want Magpul Eotech this that the other you can waste your money on the internet ... Funny ,they had about 10-20 EOTechs in their cases, a few ACOGs, and perhaps it would be accurate to say HUNDREDS of Leupold scopes, i'd bet serious money it was AT LEAST 100 more likely 1-200 Leupold scopes, of which I was also hoping to score a top of the line (for their selection) for my new Rem 700 AAC-SD, I was looking at a VX3, VXR, or VX3L 4.5-14x50mm Boone and Crockett) One thing I posted for fun, you all righteous peoples may or may not care, but I thought was hilarious, was the warning about the "Inhibitor Film" and I imagine the text was written in Russian and then translated and the words are direct translations and to me it is hilarious how it says :

 

1- It is STRICTLY PROHIBITED to use inhibitor film for wrapping foodstuffs;

2- it is necessary to wash hands and face with soap and water after work and before meal;

3- it is Not Allowed to store inhibitor film open, near acids or alkalis;

4- After unpacking *Annihilate* this film (total KGB style "Eyes Only, Destroy after reading" style line

 

Anyway that cracked me up something great., made the whole purchase of shotgun so worthwhile.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Take a look at the MD Arms adjustable gas plug (other companies make them too). It simply screws in and replaces the two-position factory plug that is often mis-threaded, causing bad cycling (i.e. what you think is the high setting may be offset and is actually a different one). The five position plug is handy because you can always find a position for any kind of ammo you want to use. For light birdshot, you set it to one of the two high gas settings. For slugs you set it to one of the two low gas settings. Buckshot is usually in the middle or towards the low gas settings.

Nice thank you very much do you have a place to suggest i get it from, and anything else like that that is really good to get but not big time expensive/etc.?

 

Also I was thinking about the Saiga "skeleton stock" what about it? Thanks!

The plug was around $40 when I bought it. Some folks buy a lighter "gas puck" to help them cycle the light loads. I took a different approach. There is a member on the Saiaga forum that takes your bolt group and gives it a very thorough high gloss polishing. It makes a night and day differnce when cycling the bolt (i.e. much easier and smoother). Here is a link:

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/61900-paulys-glassbolt-reliability-resistance-reduction-system/

 

 

My favorite AK parts vendor is www.carolinashooterssupply.com.

Great prices, fast shipping and the owner is a good guy.

 

You might also look at www.mississippiautoarms.com and www.dinzagarms.com

 

All three are good AK parts vendors.

yeah bud thank you very much, I have heard of and in fact came close to buying from both Mississippi and Carolina a few things. So I am very familiar with them.

 

As this may wind up being something I make use of as a "Christmas present" to my old man so I mAY Be slowly adding a few extras so there would be more things to open for him on Christmas, I'll probably get a nice sling like a Vickers Combat Applications or a Viking Tactical, who knows. I got a LimbSaver slip on because I was not sure if I could even get a precision/speed mount type so I figured why not..the slip on is black, fits like a glove, and honestly we can deal with the look no problem.

 

I am curious Lunker, do Saiga 7.62x39mm parts fit a Saiga 12, specifically I am wondering about say a Midwest Industries quad rail .. And is there any buttstock upgrades available to us NJ residents/ Since i cant use a pistol grip and AR/AK stock I guess I was only looking at the Skeleton stock.

 

thanks again brother much much appreciated.

I am curious Lunker, do Saiga 7.62x39mm parts fit a Saiga 12, specifically I am wondering about say a Midwest Industries quad rail .. And is there any buttstock upgrades available to us NJ residents/ Since i cant use a pistol grip and AR/AK stock I guess I was only looking at the Skeleton stock.

 

The answer is... it depends.

I think the answer is no for anything rail related. You need Saiga-12 specific rails. The stock may be interchangeable with Saiga rifles. The Carolina website is good about telling which will fit which.

You may want to see how many gas holes you have in your barrel and if they are shrouded or not before trying a new gas plug. Mine wouldn't run low brass until I unshrouded the 3 holes I had and drilled a fourth. For set-and-forget ease, I'm now using Tac 47's "Autoplug".

 

When I was in NJ, I used the skeleton stock you mentioned. All you need to do is remove the two stock screws, smack off the factory stock and tap the new one in. They run for about $60-$70 I think. If you decide on this, PM me and I'll sell you mine.

 

If you want to go for the max number of rails, the best seems to be the "Titan" from Chaos USA. It isn't perfect, but this is what I have.

http://www.chaosus.c...TITAN_QUAD_RAIL

 

If you want extra 5rd factory style mags, but these Taiwanese made ones. http://www.keepshoot...d-magazine.html . They don't have the metal lip reinforcement, but are reliable and dirt cheap.

 

AGP sells 6rd magazines http://www.agparms.c...acity-magazine/ but you'll need to comply with 922r to use them.

 

If you do decide to use a US made trigger group (Tapco), be aware that the stock trigger cannot be replaced, so you'll only land up with 2 compliance parts instead of 3.

 

I've got more tips which I learned from self experience and from others if you're interested.

 

Saiga 12 above and my new VEPR 12 below.

Bump - For question. I had wanted to also get a red dot sight. The Saiga 12 comes with the side mounted scope mount on the left receiver side. What would be my options, get a scope mount that connected to that, covered over the top cover and mounted the Aimpoint or EOTech there, .... Or if and when I do a quad rail replacing the handguard, mount it there right?

 

What I really want to end up with is a quad rail, I guess it would replace the handguard and its a 3 sided bottom piece and one top piece. Then I guess most people are putting Aimpoint Micro's up there, which I love.. .But I might go EOTech for diversity, or what I'd love to do is just get a $400 Aimpoint Pro. But I would need some sort of different mount to bring the Aimpoint Pro down low, I am not sure if that is possible. The Aimpoint Micro seems custom tailored to that application w/ the factory mount, and most likely an EOTech EXPS type would be too. I personally like the idea of my red dots/holo's etc. to be mounted closer to my eye in the back, but not if its just wrong to do it that way or all scope mounts involving the mount would suck.

 

The last option is that thing I see called "a dog leg mount", I had looked at it when I was thinking of buying a Krebs Custom AK-103K and a 7.62x39mm ACOG.. but the mount is over $300 itself, and then another $1500 ish for the ACOG, that is just redonkulous (oh yeah,and $1300 for the rifle..)

 

So I am lienient to spend $300 bucks on just a damned mount, just doesn't seem normal to me.

OK questions still- I just dropped about $250 on ProMag magazines for my old man's new Saiga 12... now I still have a few things to buy... I need the quad rail and then an optic (Probably an Aimpoint but perhaps an EOTech) and a muzzle brake or flash hider.

 

I am not sure what would be more desirable, a flash hider or a muzzle brake. I saw one Muzzle Brake for the Saiga 12 that looks an AWFUL lot like my Tactical RemChoke on my new 870, does anyone use or recommend a muzzle device for their Saiga 12?

 

And the handguard, if anyone has a particular quad rail hand guard. I was going to buy the Midwest Industries but apparently that is for Saiga RIFLES, not Saiga shotguns?

Enjoy the 12. I love mine. Too bad the full greatness can't be enjoyed in NJ. Lots of good info here. I will be looking into some stuff for mine after the holidays

Enjoy the 12. I love mine. Too bad the full greatness can't be enjoyed in NJ. Lots of good info here. I will be looking into some stuff for mine after the holidays

 

Thanks bro, it's for my Dad for Christmas but that basically means its available to me any time.

 

he only wanted an autoloading shotgun for his defense, as a former LEO that was very involved in the switch from .38 revolver to the semi auto/ 9mm, he was extremely adamant the shotgun "just shoot when you pull the trigger and keep shooting when you keep on pulling the trigger".

 

So I had planned on getting him a M930 which is what he looked at and liked, he was not about to spend DOUBLE on a 1187P or Benelli M2 Tac etc.

 

But then when I mentioned there was one shotgun that had magazines, and explained how it basically was an AK, With changeable magazines, but a 12 gauge shotgun, he was in love lol. He is gonna be so happy

OK questions still- I just dropped about $250 on ProMag magazines for my old man's new Saiga 12... now I still have a few things to buy... I need the quad rail and then an optic (Probably an Aimpoint but perhaps an EOTech) and a muzzle brake or flash hider.

 

I am not sure what would be more desirable, a flash hider or a muzzle brake. I saw one Muzzle Brake for the Saiga 12 that looks an AWFUL lot like my Tactical RemChoke on my new 870, does anyone use or recommend a muzzle device for their Saiga 12?

 

And the handguard, if anyone has a particular quad rail hand guard. I was going to buy the Midwest Industries but apparently that is for Saiga RIFLES, not Saiga shotguns?

 

Please read up on ProMag magazines before you take those magazines out of their packaging. I have no experience with them on a Saiga shotgun, but I do with several handguns and they were the worst firearms related purchase I EVER made. They turned reliable handguns into jam-o-matics. Complete garbage. I can only assume that their lack of quality control and/or design flaws translate to shotguns as well as handguns. Hopefully not, but save yourself some grief and check first.

Please read up on ProMag magazines before you take those magazines out of their packaging. I have no experience with them on a Saiga shotgun, but I do with several handguns and they were the worst firearms related purchase I EVER made. They turned reliable handguns into jam-o-matics. Complete garbage. I can only assume that their lack of quality control and/or design flaws translate to shotguns as well as handguns. Hopefully not, but save yourself some grief and check first.

 

Yeah I hear ya, and I thank you for your warnings- I did some sizeable research too and for every person complaining about ProMag I saw a ton of positive reviews, and a lot of people said they were absolutely fine etc. and they have a lot of sizes / shapes/ price advantages too... I saw a lot of ppl say their guns were happier with ProMag over SGM and at a lot of discount too so, I am gonna try them for him, if they don't work I will make MidwayUSA return them. I am a pretty good custome with MidwayUSA and since mid october I've spent a few thousand so they treat me pretty good. THANK YOU tho for your concern and warning sir

Check Chaosusa.com for their Titan rail system. This is what I use.

 

As for muzzle devices, I'd go for a brake/comp. However, if you want to be as flexible as possible, one of these choke adapters might be for you. http://http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/catalog/DPH-10.jpg

I use my Saiga-12 for Knockdown steel all the time. In fact, I'll be using it this Saturday once again!

 

Last time out the front forend came off while shooting, though I didn't care since I hold the front of the gun by the mag anyway. Gotta put it back on though so I don't grab a hot barrel by accident.......

Turbo what brake/comp do you have or suggest/recommend?

For the ultimate in control and recoil mitigation (Esp. with slugs), I'd use the US made version of the VEPR 12 (Molot GK-01) brake, available at Carolinashooters.

 

 

5" long. Billet aluminum with a steel threaded insert where it attaches to the barrel. Nut is extra.

 

Turbo what brake/comp do you have or suggest/recommend?

THAT THING IS A BEAST.... Seriously brah that is like a Soviet T-72 TANK!

 

LOL I am going to have to give that some serious consideration! Thanks!

 

 

But for $200 that is so much money... I'd almost be tempted to go with a BattleComp for that much...not sure if the BattleComp 308 version would fit on the Saiga 12 (doubt it). For my new Rem 700 AAC-SD .308 I am also in the market for a muzzle device, I am thinking about either the BattleComp .308 or more likely the Advanced Armament Corp (AAC) "BREAKOUT" which is a combination of their Blackout! Flash-hider and Blackout! Muzzle Brake ... its a one chambered muzzle brake with 3 shortened prongs at the end, giving you a little bit of muzzle brake effect and a little bit of flash hider effect and of course looking cool. (I'd love to get an AAC Suppressor but .. of course.. NJ d'oh!).

 

Thanks for this brake reco for my Saiga will have to do some serious considering brother, thank you very much.

Do not speak of flash hiding..evil evil. Seriously though that break is a tank. The weight alone has to help wth recoil

$200? It's $110.

 

Battlecomp is for rifles!

 

If you are looking for a brake to use on a 308 bolt gun, think of using something larger like a Surefire MB762SSAL/RE. Arguably the best you can buy.

 

THAT THING IS A BEAST.... Seriously brah that is like a Soviet T-72 TANK!

 

LOL I am going to have to give that some serious consideration! Thanks!

 

 

But for $200 that is so much money... I'd almost be tempted to go with a BattleComp for that much...not sure if the BattleComp 308 version would fit on the Saiga 12 (doubt it). For my new Rem 700 AAC-SD .308 I am also in the market for a muzzle device, I am thinking about either the BattleComp .308 or more likely the Advanced Armament Corp (AAC) "BREAKOUT" which is a combination of their Blackout! Flash-hider and Blackout! Muzzle Brake ... its a one chambered muzzle brake with 3 shortened prongs at the end, giving you a little bit of muzzle brake effect and a little bit of flash hider effect and of course looking cool. (I'd love to get an AAC Suppressor but .. of course.. NJ d'oh!).

 

Thanks for this brake reco for my Saiga will have to do some serious considering brother, thank you very much.

It is almost all aluminum, so it doesn't weigh much.

 

Do not speak of flash hiding..evil evil. Seriously though that break is a tank. The weight alone has to help wth recoil

U can't have a flash hider on a shotgun?

Yes, you can.

 

U can't have a flash hider on a shotgun?