Are the cobray type launchers legal to own and install on a AR style rifle?

haha "flare launcher"

 

I believe that falls under an "evil feature" so you'd have to get rid of your pistol grip or detachable magazine.

 

So no.

 

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I just realized they don't sell 37mm explosive grenades. But I'm sure its still an evil feature if you can shoot tear gas. I could be wrong though.

haha "flare launcher"

 

I believe that falls under an "evil feature" so you'd have to get rid of your pistol grip or detachable magazine.

 

So no.

 

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I just realized they don't sell 37mm explosive grenades. But I'm sure its still an evil feature if you can shoot tear gas. I could be wrong though.

 

it's Legal...Dumb, and utterly Useless, but Legal. It is a Flare Projector, not a "Grenade Launcher" As far as Tear gas rounds, yes, they are available, however, since they are "Antipersonnel" munitions, your Flare Projector is now a Destructive Device if you possess them both at the same time, and a Violation of the National Firearms Act.

 

 

it's Legal...Dumb, and utterly Useless, but Legal. It is a Flare Projector, not a "Grenade Launcher" As far as Tear gas rounds, yes, they are available, however, since they are "Antipersonnel" munitions, your Flare Projector is now a Destructive Device if you possess them both at the same time, and a Violation of the National Firearms Act.

 

Not that I dont believe you but has it been ruled legal or just never been ruled illegal?

 

Is it possible that NJ still considers this a grenade launcher even though federally its OK?

 

 

Not that I dont believe you but has it been ruled legal or just never been ruled illegal?

 

Is it possible that NJ still considers this a grenade launcher even though federally its OK?

 

if it was a "grenade launcher" than you would not be able to possess any 37mm laumcher in ANY form in this state.....whether it is attached to a rifle or not. It's a Flare Launcher pure and simple.

ATF Ruling 95-3, holding that 37/38 mm gas/flare guns possessed with "anti-personnel" ammunition, consisting of cartridges containing wood pellets, rubber pellets or balls, or bean bags are destructive devices as degined in the Gun Control Act and the National Firearms Act and require registration to be lawfully possessed.

Devices designed for expelling tear gas or pyrotechnic signals have been held to be exempt from the destructive device definition. However, when a gas/flare gun is possessed with "anti-personnel" ammunition, it is then capable of use as a weapon. Thus, it becomes a firearm and is no longer exempt from the destructive device definition.

Any person who will possess a gas/flare gun in combination with "anti-personnel" ammunition must register the making of a destructive device prior to the acquistion of both the gun and the "anti-personnel" ammunition. The gas/flare gun must be indentified must be identified with the required markings, including serial number. Any person engaged in the business of buying or selling the combination of the gas/flare gun and "anti-personnel" ammunition must have the appropriate Federal firearms license and/or have paid the appropriate special (occupational) tax.

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ATF Ruling 95-3, holding that 37/38 mm gas/flare guns possessed with "anti-personnel" ammunition, consisting of cartridges containing wood pellets, rubber pellets or balls, or bean bags are destructive devices as degined in the Gun Control Act and the National Firearms Act and require registration to be lawfully possessed.

Devices designed for expelling tear gas or pyrotechnic signals have been held to be exempt from the destructive device definition. However, when a gas/flare gun is possessed with "anti-personnel" ammunition, it is then capable of use as a weapon. Thus, it becomes a firearm and is no longer exempt from the destructive device definition.

Any person who will possess a gas/flare gun in combination with "anti-personnel" ammunition must register the making of a destructive device prior to the acquistion of both the gun and the "anti-personnel" ammunition. The gas/flare gun must be indentified must be identified with the required markings, including serial number. Any person engaged in the business of buying or selling the combination of the gas/flare gun and "anti-personnel" ammunition must have the appropriate Federal firearms license and/or have paid the appropriate special (occupational) tax.

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ATF cracks me up, they have this ruling but restrict a 40mm launcher regardless of your possession of anti personnel ammunition. Since they make 40mm flares and gas rounds how is that any different from a 37-38mm launcher? Amazing.

how about one with its own fixed stock like this

 

ATF cracks me up, they have this ruling but restrict a 40mm launcher regardless of your possession of anti personnel ammunition. Since they make 40mm flares and gas rounds how is that any different from a 37-38mm launcher? Amazing.

 

40mm Barrels are rifled, which is why they are automatically DD's

how about one with its own fixed stock like this

 

Those are fine Ted.. that Particular combination is about $500 IIRC it looks like a Bates and Dittus.. VERY High Quality, but also high priced. If you shop around you can find an old Federal Signal 37mm single shot for a lot cheaper..not as High-speed tactical, but does the same job..

The BEST place to ask questions about this stuff is Grog's Forum. http://www.freewebs.com/grog/

ATF Ruling 95-3, holding that 37/38 mm gas/flare guns possessed with "anti-personnel" ammunition, consisting of cartridges containing wood pellets, rubber pellets or balls, or bean bags are destructive devices as degined in the Gun Control Act and the National Firearms Act and require registration to be lawfully possessed.

Devices designed for expelling tear gas or pyrotechnic signals have been held to be exempt from the destructive device definition. However, when a gas/flare gun is possessed with "anti-personnel" ammunition, it is then capable of use as a weapon. Thus, it becomes a firearm and is no longer exempt from the destructive device definition.

Any person who will possess a gas/flare gun in combination with "anti-personnel" ammunition must register the making of a destructive device prior to the acquistion of both the gun and the "anti-personnel" ammunition. The gas/flare gun must be indentified must be identified with the required markings, including serial number. Any person engaged in the business of buying or selling the combination of the gas/flare gun and "anti-personnel" ammunition must have the appropriate Federal firearms license and/or have paid the appropriate special (occupational) tax.

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There's the kicker..the so-called "Blast" Tear gas and OC 37mm rounds are acceptable under the statute, because they arent projetiles, they just shoot a big cloud out of the muzzle. Once you get into the "Ferret, Barrier Penetrating, Triple-Chaser" or other Gas Projectiles then you fall into destructive device range. Even though the gas projos are not ment to strike the bad guy, they are still AP rounds.

Those are fine Ted.. that Particular combination is about $500 IIRC it looks like a Bates and Dittus.. VERY High Quality, but also high priced. If you shop around you can find an old Federal Signal 37mm single shot for a lot cheaper..not as High-speed tactical, but does the same job..

 

I only asked because I have a Spikes Tactical like the one pictured , Never fired it . I was going to remove the stock and mount it on my PTR . I figured the 1st zombie would get a flare in the head

But a 'flare' (At least the type I'm thinking of) is a projectile.

 

There's the kicker..the so-called "Blast" Tear gas and OC 37mm rounds are acceptable under the statute, because they arent projetiles, they just shoot a big cloud out of the muzzle. Once you get into the "Ferret, Barrier Penetrating, Triple-Chaser" or other Gas Projectiles then you fall into destructive device range. Even though the gas projos are not ment to strike the bad guy, they are still AP rounds.

But a 'flare' (At least the type I'm thinking of) is a projectile.

 

Correct. but a flare is designed as a signalling device..as is a Smoke Projo. Tear Gas projos are designed to be fired at (or the close area of) people to be used as what is known as "Mechanical Force" in the Use of force Continuum. Even though they arent a direct Impact Munition like the Baton or Buck rounds, they are still technically AP munitions... at least the way i read it. Look, in all reality, are you going to get jammed up if you have a tear gas round and a 37mm launcher? 99.99999% of the time probably not..however all it takes is one issue with something unrelated, and next thing you're looking at an NFA violation. There are enough assorted commercial, and home-rolled projectiles and kits out there to play with that cost a hell of a lot less than a tear gas round that has the potential of doing more damage to you than anyone else. http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/37_mm.html is a good example. the ALS made Smoke rounds are $26.00 each, ASA's smokes, while not as fancy looking work out to $9 each. Plus they have reload kits and load data. Reloadableshells.com also has assorted components and kits as well

I only asked because I have a Spikes Tactical like the one pictured , Never fired it . I was going to remove the stock and mount it on my PTR . I figured the 1st zombie would get a flare in the head

 

From what I've seen Spikes launchers are really well built. the stand-alone stocks for them are out there