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$799 for that rifle is a great buy. Damn, wish I had one. heh.

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http://militarytimes...sporting-goods/

 

After offering a screaming Black Friday deal on Troy’s newly introduced 16″ complete carbine, Dick’s Sporting Goods has canceled all backorders placed for the carbine. The sporting goods retailer decided to turn away from the AR market after the mass murder in Newtown, Ct.

 

The rifles were sold for $799, a mark down of $400. Stores quickly sold through their existing stock and took customer’s money for backordered rifles with delivery estimates ranging from weeks to months. But, instead of getting calls from local stores telling customers to come pick up their rifles, customers have begun receiving letters from Dick’s informing of their inability to fulfill orders with no specific reason. The letter promises a refund and includes a $100 Dick’s Sporting Goods gift card.

 

Not only are customers upset, but so is Troy Industries. Troy and DSG debuted the company’s first complete carbine offering in an exclusive sales agreement. Troy says they understand customer’s anger, “you got a great price from DSG. However, Troy, itself, cannot come anywhere close to offering the Carbine at the price DSG was offering it. DSG devalued and diluted Troy’s brand when it offered for sale the Carbine at a steeply discounted price during Thanksgiving week.”

 

It’s unclear now how many Troy Carbines have been delivered to Dick’s to fulfill backorders, but it seems unlikely that any customers will be getting those firearms. Though, there is some confusion at the local level, with some store employees still telling customers that their orders would be fulfilled.

 

GearScout got some mail on the subject and one frustrated reader’s statement stands out.

 

“What makes this situation even more frustrating is that I am a law enforcement officer and purchased this rifle specifically to use while on duty,” says Andrew C., “as my agency allows us to carry rifles, but cannot afford to issue one to every member.”

 

Steve Troy’s 12/26/2012 Statement:

Troy Defense (Troy), a division a Troy Industries, Inc., was deeply dismayed and shocked to hear through national media outlets that Dick’s Sporting Goods (DSG) made the decision to stop selling the Troy Carbine along with other modern sporting rifles. DSG did not contact or inform Troy of this decision prior to notifying the public. Nor was Troy informed by DSG that cancellation letters were being sent to customers, set to arrive on Christmas Eve (a day Troy was closed).

 

Troy has invested millions of dollars in its facility and operations to bring its first ever modern sporting rifle to the market under an exclusive contract with DSG. In selecting DSG as the sole distributor of the Troy Carbine, Troy relied on DSG’s high sales forecasts and sales potential prior to undertaking the significant financial and corporate commitment necessary to design, develop, manufacture and bring a new modern sporting rifle to the marketplace. Based on DSG’s press release, DSG’s anti-gun stance is clear – DSG will not continue modern sporting rifle sales and Troy will sadly not see its Carbine readily available — despite the outlay of millions of dollars by Troy and its commitment to support DSG in its distribution efforts.

 

Troy is currently researching other channels to ensure continuous and consistent distribution for its rifles. But please note, Troy’s pricing to DSG was based upon volume sales. It is unlikely that pricing to any other outlet in the future will support the pricing granted to DSG. Troy understands the anger of certain DSG customers whose purchases have been cancelled – you got a great price from DSG. However, Troy, itself, cannot come anywhere close to offering the Carbine at the price DSG was offering it. DSG devalued and diluted Troy’s brand when it offered for sale the Carbine at a steeply discounted price during Thanksgiving week. As a result of the sale price set by DSG, DSG oversold and overpromised its inventory. Nonetheless, the current ill-will could have been avoided had DSG not terminated modern sporting rifle sales, promptly canceled overpromised orders, and forthrightly communicated with Troy.

Troy is hopeful that it will soon identify a new distribution channel for its Carbine. We ask for your patience and support during this difficult and transitory time.

Best regards,

Stephen Troy

CEO & Founder

The Troy Group

www.troydefense.com

www.troyind.com

www.troyprepared.com

 

 

And, here’s Dick’s Sporting Goods 12/18/2012 statement:[indent]

We are extremely saddened by the unspeakable tragedy that occurred last week in Newtown, CT, and our hearts go out to the victims and their families, and to the entire community.

Out of respect for the victims and their families, during this time of national mourning we have removed all guns from sale and from display in our store nearest to Newtown and suspended the sale of modern sporting rifles in all of our stores chainwide.

We continue to extend our deepest sympathies to those affected by this terrible tragedy.[/indent]

How soon before the lawsuits start flying?

Not that Dicks sells guns in NJ anyway (that I know of, too lazy to search), but here is a further reason for me not to patronize them. They've now conflated lawful sales, purchase, and ownership of the common AR-15 platform with the murderous behavior of an obvious psychotic. At the same time, they've violated basic fair business principles, and I hope Troy can take legal action to recover from whatever damage was done to their new business.

hopefully soon, maybe a class action suit will happen also. I would hope to see dicks go out of business because of this, millions of dollars spent for manufacturing a rifle exclusive to dicks and then a big fugg you to troy it wont end well i am sure.

While I don't want to see them go under and see more people out of work. A heft financial reimbursement to Troy via lawsuit would be nice

If Dick's took actually anyone's money and didn't deliver the product in NJ (although I don't think they were selling any AR types in NJ), they have a big problem. In NJ that's a clear case of consumer fraud, and would subject them to treble (triple) damages and a $10,000 fine per occurrence. More than likely, the didn't actually take payment ahead of time, most large companies know better. The law in other states may be different.

Just another nail in their coffin.

dicks would not sell this carbine to anyone from NJ, even if they went to NY or PA. I wanted one

Not that Dicks sells guns in NJ anyway (that I know of, too lazy to search),

 

So this statement should have told you that you didn't have enough information to post constructively on this topic. Dicks does (or did) sell guns at almost all of their stores in NJ. There are multiple posts on many threads about various rifles and shotguns on sale there, etc.

Not that Dicks sells guns in NJ anyway (that I know of, too lazy to search), but here is a further reason for me not to patronize them. They've now conflated lawful sales, purchase, and ownership of the common AR-15 platform with the murderous behavior of an obvious psychotic. At the same time, they've violated basic fair business principles, and I hope Troy can take legal action to recover from whatever damage was done to their new business.

 

ive never seen an MSR at any Dick's in NJ..usually there is a selection of Shotguns, Hunting Rifles, .22's, and BB/Pellet rifles... That said, I hope Troy sues Dicks into the dirt for Breach of Contract. they were to be the SOLE Distributor for the line ONLY because they promised Troy volume sales. Hopefully Troy finds another distributor quickly.

I will never shop there again and hope all firearm owners feel the same way

So this statement should have told you that you didn't have enough information to post constructively on this topic. Dicks does (or did) sell guns at almost all of their stores in NJ. There are multiple posts on many threads about various rifles and shotguns on sale there, etc.

 

My post was certainly constructive and on topic - it was about them tying unrelated concepts together and damaging the business prospects of a manufacturer they had a deal with. How does my lack of knowledge of their NJ sales policy invalidate what I said about their Troy-related business practices?

What dicks. (Teehee)

 

I've never shopped there, and I guess now I never will.

I'm going to mail them my score card and ask they to sever all contact. Just not sure where to send it yet. I'd like to know who made the decision to screw everyone (customers & Troy).

Why doesn't Troy just put them up for sale? they wouldn't be the smoking hot deal from DICKS. but they would sell.

Why doesn't Troy just put them up for sale? they wouldn't be the smoking hot deal from DICKS. but they would sell.

 

They probably will....they just kind of had the rug pulled out from under them with this nonsense..now they have to decide what direction they are going.

All Troy rifles are spoken for.

Remember when I said mark my words way back when

 

http://njgunforums.c...__fromsearch__1

As of now, the way i read it, Dicks sold the AR's... but they will not deliver and are refunding... so the rifles are not spoken for. Dicks cancelled the order, so they are sitting in a warehouse somewhere. Dicks managed to piss off both sides of the spectrum on this one, customer and supplier. I get the whole ticked off part, and possible lawsuit, but at the same time they can sell these to distributors all over the country and people would pay the price troy needs to keep the company from going under... Personally, i think they got lucky, the market just shifted big time, and they would have been stuck selling these rifles way under market value.

Jack, Im not basing my statements on stuff I read on the inet as you apparently are. The Dicks order was for a large amout of rifles. Dicks violated some agreements prior to the unfortunate Newton incident so the fact is there was already a problem as I alluded to in my previous posts. Somoene asked why dont they just put them up for sale. My asnswer was and is, the rifles are spoken for as another distributer has bought out all remaining inventory and production. But due to the fact that legel entanglements are likely, I really am not going to say much more on the subject.

Do you care to share where you found this information?

No I dont. My info is not found, it is direct and personal. But keep in mind if you care to doubt me, when I told everyone what was coming for MSAR, LWRC, FN etc etc before any of the info was public was all proven true.

Remember when I said mark my words way back when

 

http://njgunforums.c...__fromsearch__1

 

From the above thread:

Mark my words, these AR's at this price is going to turn into an issue. My advice, if you have access, get it right now.

 

 

I'm not doubting that you somehow have insider knowledge, but I fail to see what you predicted months ago. Are you saying you knew dicks was going to pull the Troys from their shelves?

I wasn't really following any of that, but still not doubting you. I actually appreciate the insight. My impression from Troy is that they are complaining about something they can actually benefit from. Pacing through my head constantly was the fact these rifles are flying off the shelves and they don't need Dicks to sell large volumes, there complaint falls on deaf ears here. Now the contractual obligation is a different story, i feel like its a win win for them. The only people who should be really pissed are the customers.... and thats on Dicks, not Troy.

I will inquire what it is ok and not ok to share. If I can reveal more, the tie in will make more sense.

Anything is possible. Assuming these things were sold below cost, typically one or both parties split the loss with the split benefit in proportion.

The benefit could include customer information, guarantee of future shelf space for same or upgraded products with increased prices,

guarantee of future shelf space for equipment or accessories.

 

Second party would be pissed if one party pulls out of the deal in the middle of contract. The party (Dicks) could have pulled out of it

regardless of the tragedy. May be they are just using that as an excuse.