I have not read the story.....

 

But have any of you gone back and read the thread....look at the animosity ..the veiled hate in the posts....

 

THIS IS WHY we, gun owners of all walks of life.....will FAIL as a community ......

 

Blue color...white collar....cop..not a cop....tradesmen...office guy.....ALL full of caca de toro.... Lol....

 

The tangents that threads go off on is mind boggling.....UNITE for a common cause....WHY bash each other....?

 

Just like calling the hunter segment..FUDDS...hmmm odd...derogatory ....

 

Keep it on topic or move on....so much drivel has come of late that the entire forum is being drawn down to a level

That wreaks of chi,d like behavior .....

 

I wish I practiced it more..but the old saying..if you have nothing nice to say say nothing at all....

 

Just my .02

 

You make an excellent point. I didn't realize posting my opinion that an officer making $175k plus a year was being "grossly overpaid" would cause such a response. I guess I should have known better. This is a site in support of the 2nd amendment so I should know that the 1st will be allowed as well. All who responded to that comment are entitled to their opinion and I can certainly understand their viewpoint in some regards.

 

I have worked jobs where overtime was paid for hours over 40 in a week. I was happy to get it when it was available and never did I turn it down since it wasn't always there to be had. I think anyone that can count on getting regular overtime is lucky to be in that position. I can't think of one reason why they anyone would want to give that up. I have also moved to the management side at a small business where I had to account for the budget and generate income. I had to answer to the semi-retired president who had me handling everything. I had to fight with to justify lots of paychecks over the time I was there. I had to cut the amount of available overtime to the guys who worked for me and felt like sh!t for doing it. But I had no choice because I now understood that the money to pay them had to come from somewhere. If the business didn't generate enough $ to make the old man happy he would have just shut down that much sooner. I got lots of complaints about less OT. So I sat everyone down after 5pm and gave them all three hours in OT to explain the $ situation to them. Once they realized that cutting back the OT was extending their jobs by a couple more years they no longer complained about the OT. But not all businesses/jobs work that way. Perhaps I was wrong to look at things from more than one viewpoint.

 

I feel that the $175k this man makes is too much but it's not his fault nor do I blame him for it. Nobody tells him not to. I am not angry with him for earning that much. I am angry at him for thinking that he is exempt from following laws. He is a very well paid law enforcement officer. I expect him to lead by example. This should be handled like anyone else who gets caught with illegal guns/mags. There are no details about why the restraining order was filed so who knows whats going on here. I have read on this forum more than once "there is going to be more to this story". We shall see.

 

Its a shame that people have been so quick to rush to judgement. The ugly side of the forum has definitely shown here. Concluding that I am some sort of jealous, debt-ridden, unhappy, financial failure come across as very immature. They do make me laugh a bit though. You can tell all that about me because I made a comment about a cops salary? Calls for people to be banned for speaking their mind by others who are quick to hurl insults is childish. Thats the type of thing I would expect from someone like Feinstein.

New guys means more training, more benefits, more defendants more payroll taxes. They tried years ago to flood the job to kill OT but it cost them a fortune with all that extra stuff. If you have the guys that want to work let them. It actually saves money. As far as a responsibility to follow laws is he not being charged.misnt he suspended without pay. Yes...what the hell else do you want.

I find it funny that those that were living high on the hog for years never bothered with us and scoffed at our lowly union,

This so true, people do not understand the loaded rate. Shucks salary plus benefits per new man would be way more insane. All companies would rather pay the people they have versus buying more equipment, paying for more training etc etc +1 I am also glad I did not waste $100,000 bucks on bs not experience education.

Here is the problem. Everybody worries about everybodies elses business too much. He makes 175000. Who cares. Mind your business. Just like nobody should care what you make. You earn it so they shouldnt care either

Not to mention this guys(and wifes!) pension is now in jeapordy after 19 yrs of "exemplatory service". Wife maye have just burned her own ass too in regards to that.

Here is the problem. Everybody worries about everybodies elses business too much. He makes 175000. Who cares. Mind your business. Just like nobody should care what you make. You earn it so they shouldnt care either

 

I agree for the most part but when someone is being paid from public monies it is therefore public knowledge. I for one would rather see a few more employees being paid instead of all that overtime. I'd rather not see a burnt out tired officer whose been working 70 hour weeks. Thats not good for anything but the officers bank account. Of course hes going to take it, I probably would to. I'd still rather go home after my normal shift and not fall asleep behind the wheel, not be tired at work, not speed to get home or to work cuz I overslept, be better at my job and have time for hobbies, friends and family.

Here is the problem. Everybody worries about everybodies elses business too much. He makes 175000. Who cares. Mind your business. Just like nobody should care what you make. You earn it so they shouldnt care either

 

You are right. We shouldn't care what any public employee makes because it has no effect on our lives whatsoever.

I agree for the most part but when someone is being paid from public monies it is therefore public knowledge. I for one would rather see a few more employees being paid instead of all that overtime. I'd rather not see a burnt out tired officer whose been working 70 hour weeks. Thats not good for anything but the officers bank account. Of course hes going to take it, I probably would to. I'd still rather go home after my normal shift and not fall asleep behind the wheel, not be tired at work, not speed to get home or to work cuz I overslept, be better at my job and have time for hobbies, friends and family.

 

Majority of the guys I work with would MUCH rather have extra cops hired instead of working every day. Unfortunately, towns want to cut police officers, not realizing that it winds up costing more in the long run.

Here is the problem. Everybody worries about everybodies elses business too much. He makes 175000. Who cares. Mind your business. Just like nobody should care what you make. You earn it so they shouldnt care either

 

The big difference is I (the taxpayer) contribute to his compensation. When I take govt money, you can care what I make.

well his wife is just as screwed, he loses his job, she gets no alimony ot support! Good Job

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Wait till she realizes that "suspended without pay" and possibility of long imprisonment = to her having to feed herself.

There is always a possibility that she actually needed the restraining order, but in my life experience it's a common blackmail tool, especially against someone who owns firearms or uses firearms at work.

 

On the side note, if the guy who is obligated to know the law, finds himself in divorce situation, has a hostile wife and owns illegal items (keeps them at home!) - makes him a moron, regardless of his job.

The big difference is I (the taxpayer) contribute to his compensation. When I take govt money, you can care what I make.

 

Seriously? ... It's not like your taxes are going to be less if they better " distribute " man power. What a man makes is his own bussiness, unless he himself doesnt mind sharing.

 

This is no better then last weeks map pin pointing legal registered gun owners. Should all goverment workers have to wear a name tag with their salary on it next?

 

The big difference is I (the taxpayer) contribute to his compensation. When I take govt money, you can care what I make.

 

Why dont you just start with the same played out statement of " well i pay your salary". Sorry...thats old

I guess people didn't read the part I posted about Port Authority not being publicly funded.

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Wait till she realizes that "suspended without pay" and possibility of long imprisonment = to her having to feed herself.

There is always a possibility that she actually needed the restraining order, but in my life experience it's a common blackmail tool, especially against someone who owns firearms or uses firearms at work.

 

On the side note, if the guy who is obligated to know the law, finds himself in divorce situation, has a hostile wife and owns illegal items (keeps them at home!) - makes him a moron, regardless of his job.

 

Yep. It is unfortunate that it is very common and some studies suggest happens the majority of the time (yikes!) that those who are victims of domestic violence and have to file restraining orders or get some sort of help, unintentionally hurt themselves and end up poor and/or homeless. It is a double edged sword. Do nothing and get hurt physically, or do something and end up in a dire situation financially.

 

Of course I have no idea if this situation specifically dealt with domestic violence.

I guess people didn't read the part I posted about Port Authority not being publicly funded.

 

And the toll money comes from whom?

And the toll money comes from whom?

 

From the people that choose to use the bridges and tunnels. PA is no different than Cabelas or any other privately owned company. Their money comes from customers, not tax dollars.

And the toll money comes from whom?

 

Wow....

 

 

 

McDonalds gets their money from my pocket, therofore I should be entitled to their employees personal information salary

Wow....

 

 

 

McDonalds gets their money from my pocket, therofore I should be entitled to their employees personal information salary

 

No, you are entitled to whatever food you are purchasing. If you cannot see how buying food is different than paying taxes, there isn't much that can be said.

No, you are entitled to whatever food you are purchasing. If you cannot see how buying food is different than paying taxes, there isn't much that can be said.

 

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I was giving a little sarcasm to " rightisright"s post, Bridge tolls are not taxes.

Point taken.

Police salaries are, I believe, public knowledge. Port Authority isn't funded by the public do their info may not be available. Bridge tolls are not taxes you are right. It's amazing people get so mad at a cop making 175k but get all into a hissy fit when there's talk about taxing millionaires more.

Later we will see what is true and what is not in this story.

So far we base our opinions only on mix of facts/fantasy/BS reported by yellow-ish nypost.com

 

From the people that choose to use the bridges and tunnels. PA is no different than Cabelas or any other privately owned company. Their money comes from customers, not tax dollars.

 

Problem is there is no choice. PA has monopoly on entrance to Manhattan from NJ and you can't do nothing about that.

You can actually choose to do or not to do business with Cabela's or McDonalds. If you have to travel, you can't choose not to use bridge or tunnel.

 

In 2000 toll was $3.00, as of 2012 toll is $13.00 - over 300% increase without a good reason. Just because they can. Basically making travel to Manhattan a luxury.

NYC is happy to support toll increase - they tried few times to impose "Manhattan business hours fee" but were turned down by Albany.

I understand Manhattan people - they want less traffic and cleaner air. Nothing works better than hit in the wallet.

I don't really like to pay $13 - it sucks. But I also hate to stand 2 hours in traffic jam with people who don't have to drive to this small island with very limited space. After tolls became $12 I've seen less traffic jams.

 

Do people have reason to dislike PA? Absolutely!

Is a cop's salary relevant here? Nope, come on. There are about 300 000 vehicles crossing GWB per day, even some of them are trucks paying $13/axle, lets count them as personal cars $13/vehicle. It's close to $4 million in tolls per day from GWB only. This cop's $500 per day (including overtime, benefits and everything else) doesn't even come to the picture.

 

Another thing. I do have a lot respect to LE in this country (I'm an immigrant and have seen some things you wouldn't believe) with a little exception of PA cops. I'm driving a lot, so I do come face to face with cops in different jurisdictions. The only a-holes cops I have encountered were from PAPD.

85k is likely 1300 hours of overtime on top of regularly scheduled duty. You don't think he should be paid for that extra work?

. He should be if he worked it. Or they should hire a new guy for $50k to do that work

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Wait till she realizes that "suspended without pay" and possibility of long imprisonment = to her having to feed herself.

There is always a possibility that she actually needed the restraining order, but in my life experience it's a common blackmail tool, especially against someone who owns firearms or uses firearms at work.

 

On the side note, if the guy who is obligated to know the law, finds himself in divorce situation, has a hostile wife and owns illegal items (keeps them at home!) - makes him a moron, regardless of his job.

 

Sorry but No...the Judge will STILL Demand she be paid..with some snarky remark like "You should have thought of that before you lost your Job better get a couple of Jobs Bucko....Judgement Stands" And yes i have seen judges issue orders like that

Some should have taken the test.

 

Wow....

 

 

 

McDonalds gets their money from my pocket, therofore I should be entitled to their employees personal information salary

 

Alec, here is the big issue... what a private company does is their business. Want to know the details, become a shareholder, or better yet, go read a financial report. It is mostly in there.

 

Public workers, guess what, it is tax payer dollars, whether I like it or not, I am paying for it.

 

It is not McDonalds, where if you do not want it, you don't have to shop there.

 

$175,000 a year for law enforcement? I think it is too much. I know PA cops and while a lot of them are good people, there are people I know personally who are boasting how they sit on their ass and get paid big dollars.

 

Once again, I don't give a hoot if someone is a cop or not... my problem is with people on an individual basis and their level of integrity.

 

We have the same right to complain about how much individual law enforcement makes, as the mayor. It has nothing to do with cop bashing. I support cops, but I do not support cops making nearly $200,000 a year.

 

Once again, public sector works for the people.... paid for by the people, where we don't have a choice.

 

Private sector works for their stakeholders, and risks their own capital. The money they earn, is for the risk they take.

 

The public sector spends money, and well, for the most part, they are not responsible to anyone.

 

Instead of paying someone an extra $80,000 in overtime, I would rather we hire someone for $40k a year who would be thankful for a job.

 

The attrocity is that public sector jobs are not more in the open, and the media focuses on private sector bonuses.

 

 

But back to the point.... the guy broke the law... yes he is a cop, he is not above them.

 

Are the laws stupid? Sure...

 

As far as the "newtown" style, I think that is more in jest. If you read the Post, you would know they are the more conservative paper in nyc.

 

 

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Sorry but No...the Judge will STILL Demand she be paid..with some snarky remark like "You should have thought of that before you lost your Job better get a couple of Jobs Bucko....Judgement Stands" And yes i have seen judges issue orders like that

 

1. They are not divorced yet and alimony/support will be calculated from current earnings based on current situation.

2. I don't know exactly what happens to payments if guy is in joint, but he can't be prosecuted for not paying alimony while not earning money behind bars.

3. Judge can demand whatever he wants. If person has no income - wouldn't get them far and will be overruled at appeal.

Our current POTUS doesnt like when people make more money..this thread is starting to wreak with the socialist stench of "I dont like that you make more money than me and thats not fair"..

We work our overtime. A lot of these bigwigs with bloated salaries collect ot for doing nothing. Get pissed about white collar bonuses. Those are uunearned. Enough with the Anti Leo and anti union stuff. It really drags this place down

 

I will tell you right now, I am 100% absolutely against unions. This is not the 1950's. Unions is what killed America's industries and the only reason GM, and Dodge went bankrupt.

 

Now the anti-leo comments, who said anything bad about cops?

You are the first one that brought it up. Let me remind you, LEO are public sector, so should we just pay them all $200,000 a year without questions?

 

When the fact is, it is my taxes that pay someone's salary, I have a damn good reason to question how MY MONEY is being spent.

 

It has nothing to do with being anti cop.... it has everything to do with controlling my expenses. As far as overtime... well, if someone makes as much in OT over the course of the year as much as their salary... and their salary is high to begin with... we should be hiring more people.

 

There are over 21 million people out of work, some of them will do the work for alot less pay.

 

Besides... why do we need someone getting paid $90,000 a year to effectively do the job of someone earning $35,000 a year.

 

Corporations are responsible to the owners.... public sector is responsible to the people paying their salaries.

 

 

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Instead of paying someone an extra $80,000 in overtime, I would rather we hire someone for $40k a year who would be thankful for a job.

 

This is the issue Maks... The governing bodies never want to approve the hiring of more cops, which creates all the overtime.

Our current POTUS doesnt like when people make more money..this thread is starting to wreak with the socialist stench of "I dont like that you make more money than me and thats not fair"..

 

No, it is not. Stop trolling it that direction.

 

 

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