Okay-I know this is stupid; but dealing with OGAM drives me nuts. I have two guns on layaway and have two weeks left to pick up one and then will need to wait 31 days for the other. How do others deal with this waiting period? I know I am a grown-up and all, but man, I am impatient!

File for an exemption, you might get it.

File for an exemption, you might get it.

 

If they're current manufacture, and that's all the OP is filing for, not likely to be approved.

If they're current manufacture, and that's all the OP is filing for, not likely to be approved.

Are you speaking from experience, or assumption?

 

I had looked over the OGAM exemption forms and spoke with one of the investigators at the State Police unit, and from what I gathered, if you can show legal purpose, they aren't going to deny the application. The lady I spoke iwth was very accomodating and indicated (at that time) that the process takes about 2 weeks. This was back in the fall.

 

That aside, it doesn't cost anyting to try.

Are you speaking from experience, or assumption?

 

I had looked over the OGAM exemption forms and spoke with one of the investigators at the State Police unit, and from what I gathered, if you can show legal purpose, they aren't going to deny the application. The lady I spoke iwth was very accomodating and indicated (at that time) that the process takes about 2 weeks. This was back in the fall.

 

That aside, it doesn't cost anyting to try.

 

13 exemptions filed and received in 2 years. Both Sgts know me on a first name basis. They do their homework more than you think. If you have something modern within a group of firearms no longer produced, not a big deal. If you are buying two mass-produced, readily available, unremarkable modern handguns - e.g., take you choice of Glocks, HKs, etc - your purpose will need to be a good one and i doubt it would go over, especially now. If the guns were something like modern custom-built competition pistols or revolvers, no problem with an exemption.

Okay-I know this is stupid; but dealing with OGAM drives me nuts. I have two guns on layaway and have two weeks left to pick up one and then will need to wait 31 days for the other. How do others deal with this waiting period? I know I am a grown-up and all, but man, I am impatient!

its not worth the hassle to file an exemption if its only 2 guns

its not worth the hassle to file an exemption if its only 2 guns

+1

as always thanks to everyone- just venting, I guess!

will suck it up and wait

13 exemptions filed and received in 2 years. ............be a good one and i doubt it would go over, especially now.

Cool! Thanks for sharing your experience. I had a feeling that if you took the time to go through the process it would yeild results.

 

I disagree, however, when you say "especially now," because quite frankly I think right now now it's very difficult to find stock, even of mass produced firearms. I could be wrong, but from what I've seen (and read) the recent run on guns isn't limited to AR's. Couple that with the NICS delays and a case could be made.

 

In your experience (and opinion) is there any downside to applying? Doesn't cost anything, right? No blemish on your record if they say no, right?

its not worth the hassle to file an exemption if its only 2 guns

It's a couple pages of paperwork for the buyer and seller, an envelop and a stamp. I dunno...to me...doesn't seem like a big deal.

13 exemptions filed and received in 2 years. Both Sgts know me on a first name basis. They do their homework more than you think. If you have something modern within a group of firearms no longer produced, not a big deal. If you are buying two mass-produced, readily available, unremarkable modern handguns - e.g., take you choice of Glocks, HKs, etc - your purpose will need to be a good one and i doubt it would go over, especially now. If the guns were something like modern custom-built competition pistols or revolvers, no problem with an exemption.

I've never had one denied. Granted I buy more milsurp and C&R than I do modern, but I have put modern on the exemptions and never had a problem.

I disagree, however, when you say "especially now," because quite frankly I think right now now it's very difficult to find stock, even of mass produced firearms. I could be wrong, but from what I've seen (and read) the recent run on guns isn't limited to AR's. Couple that with the NICS delays and a case could be made.

 

In your experience (and opinion) is there any downside to applying? Doesn't cost anything, right? No blemish on your record if they say no, right?

 

Especially now in the sense that the political climate is forcing scrunity. Since you haven't been through the process, the investigating officer has to sign off on the exemption which effectively states he feels there's sufficient need to grant it. That officer certainly would like to remain employed, so he's not going to sign off on an exemption for someone saying a need a Glock 21 and 23 for sporting purposes... Catch my drift?

 

Also, the OP has to have both guns with the same FFL, and must have the FFL sign off on the second form. It's legwork, time, and postage given the OP is looking at 6 weeks to be able to pick up both anyway, not worth it. My last exemption took 6 weeks to process as it started just before 12/14, before that it was half the time.

 

 

I've never had one denied. Granted I buy more milsurp and C&R than I do modern, but I have put modern on the exemptions and never had a problem.

 

Yes, as I indicated earlier I too have had moderns in with a long list of scarce handguns and approved no problem.

Catch my drift?

No, I got it, and I can't disagree with your logic except to offer a different viewpoint, albeit without the experience. The language in the excemption law is fairly clear in my view. If I collect Glocks simply because I like modern Glocks, unless I present a safety concern, my desire (need) to collect Glocks shouldn't be impaired by this law, provided I meet the critera set forth. It's my understanding after reading the law the only reason they are supposed to deny you is if you appear to be a straw purchaser.

 

The bottom line is that their is a process for relief from this stupid law and you and halbautomatish have used it sucessfully. I only wish more people would and suspect they don't because they feel it's an impossible process, which, obvioulsy, it isn't.

 

 

 

(1) The application is to purchase multiple handguns from a person who obtained the handguns through inheritance or intestacy;

 

(2) The applicant is a collector of handguns and has a need to purchase or otherwise receive multiple handguns in the same transaction or within a 30-day period in furtherance of the applicant's collecting activities. As used in this paragraph, "need" shall include, but not be limited to, situations where there is a reasonable likelihood that the additional handguns sought to be purchased would not be readily available after the 30-day period, that it would not be feasible or practical to purchase the handguns separately, or that prohibiting the purchase of more than one handgun within a 30-day period would have a materially adverse impact on the applicant's ability to enhance his collection. As used in this paragraph, "collector" shall include any person who devotes time and attention to acquiring firearms for the enhancement of the person's collection: as curios; for inheritance; for historical, investment, training and competitive, recreational, educational, scientific, or defensive purposes; or any or other lawful related purpose. If an applicant is a member of an organized gun club; firearms competitors organization; firearms collectors organization; or any other organization dedicated to the acquisition, preservation, or use of firearms for historical, investment, training and competitive, recreational, educational, scientific, or defensive purposes, or any other lawful related purpose, such membership shall be considered in determining whether the applicant qualifies as a collector; or

 

(3) The applicant participates in sanctioned handgun shooting competitions and needs to purchase or otherwise receive multiple handguns in a single transaction or within a 30-day period, and the need is related to the applicant's competitive shooting activities, including use in or training for sanctioned competitions.

 

 

b. The applicant shall certify, on a form prescribed by the superintendent, the specific exemption sought and the particular handguns to be purchased. This form shall be submitted to the superintendent at the same time as the permit to purchase a handgun, along with any pertinent documentation supporting the need for an exemption. If the information concerning the particular handguns to be purchased is not available when the form is submitted, that information shall be provided to the superintendent as soon as practicable thereafter. The superintendent shall consider the veracity, accuracy, and completeness of the information provided in determining whether the applicant meets the requirements for an exemption pursuant to this section. In considering whether an applicant qualifies as a collector under paragraph (2) of subsection a. of this section, the superintendent shall not consider the number of guns in the applicant's collection. In considering an exemption sought under paragraph (2) of subsection a. of this section, the superintendent shall not consider the merit or validity of the applicant's collecting activities. The superintendent shall not grant an exemption if he finds a reasonable likelihood that the public safety would be endangered by granting the exemption, including but not limited to instances where the applicant may be purchasing a handgun to give, sell or distribute to a person who would not qualify to purchase or otherwise acquire a handgun under the provisions of this chapter.

 

The exemptions set forth in this section shall not be construed and are not intended to authorize multiple handgun purchases where the sole justification set forth by the applicant is that the seller offers a discount for the purchase of more than one handgun.

No, I got it, and I can't disagree with your logic except to offer a different viewpoint, albeit without the experience. The language in the excemption law is fairly clear in my view. If I collect Glocks simply because I like modern Glocks, unless I present a safety concern, my desire (need) to collect Glocks shouldn't be impaired by this law, provided I meet the critera set forth. It's my understanding after reading the law the only reason they are supposed to deny you is if you appear to be a straw purchaser.

 

The bottom line is that their is a process for relief from this stupid law and you and halbautomatish have used it sucessfully. I only wish more people would and suspect they don't because they feel it's an impossible process, which, obvioulsy, it isn't.

 

Sorry friend, and I mean this with due respect and not off-handedly, in the State of New Jersey your are not entitled to get the exemption, and the decision lies solely within the NJSP Firearms Bureau. By use of the term "need," it is VERY open-ended, as precident shows that in this State (ala, CCW). Two spanking new Glocks that can be bought just as easily 6 months from now as right this second won't cut it because that can easily be acquired under OGAM. Now, if you are acquiring someone's collection of new Glocks, and the deal is contingent on time and taking the lot, you have a good argument demonstrating need because in 6 months time that collection won't be available and can then pursue under being a collector. Early on, I had lots of similar questions regarding exemptions, but now I've been through it enough I know what's expected... Certainly don't expect to find yourself getting an exemption every month for multiple handguns either... Key point to remember, an exemption is a POSSIBILITY under the State gun laws and not a right.

No, I got it, and I can't disagree with your logic except to offer a different viewpoint, albeit without the experience. The language in the excemption law is fairly clear in my view. If I collect Glocks simply because I like modern Glocks, unless I present a safety concern, my desire (need) to collect Glocks shouldn't be impaired by this law, provided I meet the critera set forth. It's my understanding after reading the law the only reason they are supposed to deny you is if you appear to be a straw purchaser.

 

The bottom line is that their is a process for relief from this stupid law and you and halbautomatish have used it sucessfully. I only wish more people would and suspect they don't because they feel it's an impossible process, which, obvioulsy, it isn't.

 

 

 

(1) The application is to purchase multiple handguns from a person who obtained the handguns through inheritance or intestacy;

 

(2) The applicant is a collector of handguns and has a need to purchase or otherwise receive multiple handguns in the same transaction or within a 30-day period in furtherance of the applicant's collecting activities. As used in this paragraph, "need" shall include, but not be limited to, situations where there is a reasonable likelihood that the additional handguns sought to be purchased would not be readily available after the 30-day period, that it would not be feasible or practical to purchase the handguns separately, or that prohibiting the purchase of more than one handgun within a 30-day period would have a materially adverse impact on the applicant's ability to enhance his collection. As used in this paragraph, "collector" shall include any person who devotes time and attention to acquiring firearms for the enhancement of the person's collection: as curios; for inheritance; for historical, investment, training and competitive, recreational, educational, scientific, or defensive purposes; or any or other lawful related purpose. If an applicant is a member of an organized gun club; firearms competitors organization; firearms collectors organization; or any other organization dedicated to the acquisition, preservation, or use of firearms for historical, investment, training and competitive, recreational, educational, scientific, or defensive purposes, or any other lawful related purpose, such membership shall be considered in determining whether the applicant qualifies as a collector; or

 

(3) The applicant participates in sanctioned handgun shooting competitions and needs to purchase or otherwise receive multiple handguns in a single transaction or within a 30-day period, and the need is related to the applicant's competitive shooting activities, including use in or training for sanctioned competitions.

 

 

b. The applicant shall certify, on a form prescribed by the superintendent, the specific exemption sought and the particular handguns to be purchased. This form shall be submitted to the superintendent at the same time as the permit to purchase a handgun, along with any pertinent documentation supporting the need for an exemption. If the information concerning the particular handguns to be purchased is not available when the form is submitted, that information shall be provided to the superintendent as soon as practicable thereafter. The superintendent shall consider the veracity, accuracy, and completeness of the information provided in determining whether the applicant meets the requirements for an exemption pursuant to this section. In considering whether an applicant qualifies as a collector under paragraph (2) of subsection a. of this section, the superintendent shall not consider the number of guns in the applicant's collection. In considering an exemption sought under paragraph (2) of subsection a. of this section, the superintendent shall not consider the merit or validity of the applicant's collecting activities. The superintendent shall not grant an exemption if he finds a reasonable likelihood that the public safety would be endangered by granting the exemption, including but not limited to instances where the applicant may be purchasing a handgun to give, sell or distribute to a person who would not qualify to purchase or otherwise acquire a handgun under the provisions of this chapter.

 

The exemptions set forth in this section shall not be construed and are not intended to authorize multiple handgun purchases where the sole justification set forth by the applicant is that the seller offers a discount for the purchase of more than one handgun.

If you are a Glock collector, and you are buying more Glocks, I would state that on the paperwork where it asks for the reason why you are requesting the exemption.

If you are a Glock collector, and you are buying more Glocks, I would state that on the paperwork where it asks for the reason why you are requesting the exemption.

I'm not...I only used that as an example for the purpose of the discussion.

 

I think more people should take advantage of the OGAM excemption process. Given the replies in this thread it seems to work for those who take the time to avail themselves of the process.

Ive gotten the exemption for a ruger sp101 a conteder pistol in 357mag, and a henry 22 mares leg.

 

none are "collectors" items, yet all 3 are difficult to get even being current manufacturer (except the contender), i stated that as my reason and that i collect firearms. Hardest part was the wait for permits.

 

By law as sited above they cannot deny you because they "feel" like it--

 

"need" shall include, but not be limited to, situations where there is a reasonable likelihood that the additional handguns sought to be purchased would not be readily available after the 30-day period, that it would not be feasible or practical to purchase the handguns separately, or that prohibiting the purchase of more than one handgun within a 30-day period would have a materially adverse impact on the applicant's ability to enhance his collection. As used in this paragraph, "collector" shall include any person who devotes time and attention to acquiring firearms for the enhancement of the person's collection: as curios; for inheritance; for historical, investment, training and competitive, recreational, educational, scientific, or defensive purposes; or any or other lawful related purpose. If an applicant is a member of an organized gun club; firearms competitors organization; firearms collectors organization; or any other organization dedicated to the acquisition, preservation, or use of firearms for historical, investment, training and competitive, recreational, educational, scientific, or defensive purposes, or any other lawful related purpose, such membership shall be considered in determining whether the applicant qualifies as a collector; or

 

As stated in red they cannot deny you, THEY built the multiple option into the law i suggest everyone uses it.

I will use it everytime i want 2 guns that are at the same dealer.

I've been looking at this OGAM thing because i am interested in 2 pistols. One is currently in production and one has been out of production for 3 years now, both were police issued. These would be through a private sale. Every OGAM thread I've looked to for clarification mentions dealers and FFLs. I'm sure, but could be wrong, that OGAM applies to private sales as well? 

 

Correct. One may acquire only one handgun within a 30 day period from anyone. C&R, Inheritance, and Special Forms allowed for exemptions.

Another case of justifyable need I guess.

I just got an exemption back for 8 guns. Nothing exceptional. Mostly modern pistols that are all readily available. Exemption granted no problem

I bought 2 Model 10s and a PP from a private seller with an exemption. Nothing special about any of the guns. Just put collection for reason. Took about 2 weeks.

So what's the process? Get the P2P's, file for the exemption.

no, you need the serial numbers of the pistols you want and submit them on the exemption forms,

I feel your pain. I picked up my 1911 on 5/27 and now have to wait for my gock. A montg prior to that I picked up a beretta....your not alone just wait it out bro

 

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I've only had one occasion to ask for an extension.  When asked why I needed it I simply explained I had ordered a gun and it hadn't arrived yet.  The PD approved it and I was fine.  Since then if I see something I am ready to buy, I'll pay for it and the FFL will hold it until I can return with the permit, or my 31 days goes by, or whatever needs to happen.  I think most FFLs are willing to do this because without that service it would just make the OGAM nonsense insurmountable for customers.

 

I suspect this is a topic that varies from town to town though, so if you have to file for more permits do so.