Hello:

 

I am new to the forum, reside in Hoboken, NJ and am about to submit the necessary forms for my first firearm purchaser identification card. From my initial research, I understand two forms are necessary to submit to the local police department if I am applying for a FPIC only – STS-033 and SP-066. I also understand permit turn around should take 30 days or less per NJ statues.

 

I went down to the Hoboken Police department to get the necessary forms and they provided me with the STS-033 and SP-066 as well as a three additional HPD issued forms: firearms applicant questionnaire; a domestic violence questionnaire; and an 8 item summary of firearm transportation, liability, address change, etc. All three must be signed by me, the applicant.

 

I know there has been some discussion on the forum about Hoboken residents in the same situation where they just fill out the paper work so to not rock the boat. That seems like a logical approach if you want your FPIC but I also do not want to provide any additional information if it is not legally required as it is my right as I currently understand.

 

Additionally, HPD said it would take 3 months at a minimum to issue my FPIC from time of application submission as they are “really, really busy”.

 

Do you think it is best to hire a lawyer to expedite the process as well as ensure the proper paper work is filed? I have a clean record but given all the additional paper work, it seems they may be looking for any reason to deny my application. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you.

"hire a lawyer"? no.

It's probably going to take longer than 30 days as required.

I would call them to confirm that they received your references since some PDs will let your paperwork sit there forever & no notify you that your references never came back.

That's pretty much all you can do.

Requiring forms other than STS-033 and SP-066 are illegal. Please contact the NJ 2nd Amendment Society (www.nj2as.com) - they have an ongoing project called Operation Establish Compliance - where local municipalities are put under lawsuit to comply with the actual set law.

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WELCOME!!!

Welcome to the Forum, see the others answered you question. The NJ2AS is a get thing to join, clickable link in my signature to make it easy to check them out..

It's your decision and nobody will think any less of you if you choose not to "rock the boat." The only things that are required by law are the application (STS-033), the mental health form (SP-066) and a fingerprint background check (third party - Sagem Morpho). Once you have your prints done, subsequent applications may substitute an SP-212A non-criminal background check for the fingerprint requirement, but that is at the discretion of the CLEO.

 

As for the 30 days - that is pretty much moot. The courts have ruled that the clock doesn't start ticking until the PD has all they require for the background check, in-hand. The judge interpreted that that was the intent of the statute, even though it isn't the letter of the law.

 

What some people have done is print out the statute that states nothing can be added (2C:58-3,f) and turn it in with the required documents. If they refuse to accept it - that is the time to hire a lawyer. Depends on how far you want to push it. NJ2AS has had great success in this particular arena, but, with over 500 municipalities in NJ it is a daunting task and it may be years before they get to Hoboken - each PD must be taken-on individually.

 

Good luck with whatever you decide. If you feel that punitive measures have been taken against you because you chose to rock the boat, that is also the time to hire a lawyer, as that is actionable under Official Misconduct (2C:30-2), although it may be hard to prove.

 

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Greetings. Bob said everything I would have said, he worded it better and was more through so all I have left to say is "Hi".

Greetings. Bob said everything I would have said, he worded it better and was more through so all I have left to say is "Hi".

 

That's just Bob being Bob, he is one eloquent SOB ain't he.

 

 

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I live in Hoboken and went through the same process. After I got finger printed, I had my FID and permits within 20 days. It all depends how quickly your references and EMPLOYER respond to the Hoboken PD letter. Gotta love how they don't include a return envelope or include instructions with the letters they send out. I micro managed the process as best I could. I would not suggest hiring an attorney, try to stay under the radar, at least until you get your ID and permits!! Good luck!!

 

P.S. They fed me the same 3-4 month turn around story.

 

Edit: after reading your post again, it sounds like you have more forms than me. I filled out the two state forms and then one Hoboken PD form which was near identical to the state form.

Thank you everyone. I will take the advice as offered and micromanage the process. I will keep you posted should anything discussion worthy happen.

Hello and welcome to the Forums!

 

Hey indiecore - have you received your permit yet?

Hello and welcome

Just as a kind of side note..... Anyone that I have provided a reference for receives all copies of what I have written and sent in......  Then my friend knows I have completed the papers he or she has asked for and has a copy in hand.....

Welcome aboard!

My local PD had me fill out a form asking me to list everyone living in my house, dates of birth, etc,. and other invasive questions that had nothing to do with the applicant (me).

 

I decided it wasn't worth pushing the buttons of the local PD, since in small towns the cops have all the time in the world to screw with you/make life miserable...I would fill out the form and be done with it.

 

Good luck and remember, this is Jersey where you have no right to bear arms...purchasing/owning a firearm is a privilege.

Welcome aboard, good luck with your application process!