I noticed that a recent update from ANJRPC only listed one of the two pending mag capacity bills -- the 5 round capacity bill proposed by Assemblyman Cryan. We should all be clear that there are two sets of bills pending, one 5 round and one 10 round limit, neither of which has a grandfather clause:

 

5 round:

A3664

S24967

 

10 round:

A1329

S2475

 

I'd hate for the 10 round ban to pass as a result of appearing more "reasonable" than the 5 round ban or as some kind of compromise. When I write letters/faxes on these bills I always point out that no one has provided one shred of evidence of any benefit that would result from either bill and no one seems to be considering the costs:1) economic loss of property; 2) turning law abiding people who have relied on the 15 round limit in place for years into instant felons; 3) de facto gun ban on most semi-autos, and 4) denying the use of firearms necessary for self-defense, in violation of the 2A as explained in Heller. There are issues of fundamental fairness and good governance here (yeah, I do recognize this is NJ, but laws are still in theory supposed to be fair and well thought out) in addition to the constitutional issues.

Seems to be too many digits for the senate 5 round bill. Do you have the right number.. gonna call again today

anything less than 15 is an assault on your 2A

comrade liberals should all move to kalifornia

You already got assaulted when you were limited to 15

Sorry, the five round Senate bill is S2497.

 

I am not arguing that the 15 round limit is well thought out or justifiable. But I think we need to start making arguments based on fundamental fairness/common sense, not just the Constitution (although I fully agree that should be enough). It's all too easy for these numbnuts to spout nonsense about the militia and other irrelevant (and wrong) statements about the 2A. I think it will be harder for them to answer: why 5? how did you come up with that number? do you recognize the widespread harm it will cause to law abiding citizens, in addition to infringing on their 2A rights. Do you have a study, or any shred of empirical data supporting a reduction from 15 rounds -- which hundreds of thousands of people have relied on in this state, in good faith and careful compliance with the law, for 20 years or more? Etc. This may be obvious to us, but many people are stuck on "why do you need moren than X" without considering the consequences of the new law.

What makes you think anyone is going to comply if it's 5 rounds or 10 rounds!