Interesting article - some companies with years of Back orders.

 

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2013/01/30/industry-report-rise-in-gun-sales-prompting-industry-chaos/?utm_source=ENL%2DGA&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily+Newsletters&utm_term=01%2D31%2D13

Says it all:

 

With all new folks rushing to buy firearms like picking up toilet paper, I hope no one gets accidentally shot at the range.

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With all new folks rushing to buy firearms like picking up toilet paper, I hope no one gets accidentally shot at the range.

 

This is a very real possibility. Not so much in NJ, but in free states were you can buy a gun on a whim. Nobody gets an FID card on a whim in NJ.

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This is a very real possibility. Not so much in NJ, but in free states were you can buy a gun on a whim. Nobody gets an FID card on a whim in NJ.

 

HUH?? Please explain.. Not sure what you're saying here and don't want to read more into it, being the wording leaves a lot of options for that.

 

 

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HUH?? Please explain.. Not sure what you're saying here and don't want to read more into it, being the wording leaves a lot of options for that.

 

 

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A lot of first time buyers out there with little firearms traning. In states where you don't need an FID, it can be purchased on an impulse and the possibility of accidents increases. That may be the fuel for the fire the antis need.

 

A lot of first time buyers out there with little firearms traning. In states where you don't need an FID, it can be purchased on an impulse and the possibility of accidents increases. That may be the fuel for the fire the antis need.

 

Ok, I hear you and I don't want people out there who don't know what they are doing with their gun and I would like to see them take it upon themselves to get the proper training or instruction, but I can't get behind anything that doesn't allow any law abiding citizen to get what ever gun they want to have, sorry to me the 2A in unconditional.

 

 

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Ok, I hear you and I don't want people out there who don't know what they are doing with their gun and I would like to see them take it upon themselves to get the proper training or instruction, but I can't get behind anything that doesn't allow any law abiding citizen to get what ever gun they want to have, sorry to me the 2A in unconditional.

 

 

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I agree 100%. I just think shooters like ourselves need to take the initiative in educating first time buyers and new shooters in the safe handling of firearms.

Ok, I hear you and I don't want people out there who don't know what they are doing with their gun and I would like to see them take it upon themselves to get the proper training or instruction, but I can't get behind anything that doesn't allow any law abiding citizen to get what ever gun they want to have, sorry to me the 2A in unconditional.

 

 

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Well Harry, a lot of folks attended motorcycyle training, right?

I'm sure there's some out there been riding since they were 8.

Training is good for you & I. God knows what the shooter next to your booth is doing.

 

I agree 100%. I just think shooters like ourselves need to take the initiative in educating first time buyers and new shooters in the safe handling of firearms.

 

Exactly, that's why I advocate training or at least some instruction with someone who is knowledgable.

 

 

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Well Harry, a lot of folks attended motorcycyle training, right?

I'm sure there's some out there been riding since they were 8.

Training is good for you & I. God knows what the shooter next to your booth is doing.

 

Well I'll say I also advocate that all new riders go through some sort of training course, if not for the insurance discount, but to keep you alive. I'll even go as far as telling people who have been riding for some time to even if they can hit the new riders basic course. You may learn or be reminded of something that you may have forgotten that could save your life. And this is coming from someone who has probably over 600,000 miles on street bikes over the last 29 years and that doesn't include dirt and other stuff.

 

However for me to get a MC endorsement on my DL it is a privilege just like the basic drivers license you and I have, my 2A rights are just that, they ARE A RIGHT, plain and simple and unconditional, or is there some common sense restriction you would like added to the 27 words our founding fathers wrote? We already have 10's of thousands of laws about guns that that do not do anything to prevent criminals for committing crimes, but only restrict you and I the law abiding citizens from owning and protecting ourselves family in the proper manner. Or do you disagree?

 

 

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I am all for training and back-ground checks (sorry ;-))...I was amazed when I got my Fid last May how little (actually none) education the township gave as far as pamplets, or whatever. I was a US-Navy SharpShooter back in the day - so I had experience...But lot's of folks with no experience, no training, and likely little education getting involved these days I believe...It will be a big plus when this panic is over for all of us (assuming it will be over any time soon ;-)).

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This is a very real possibility. Not so much in NJ, but in free states were you can buy a gun on a whim. Nobody gets an FID card on a whim in NJ.

 

Getting a FID in NJ has nothing to do with training or being safe. It just takes longer to pass a background and mental health check. As long as you're not a criminal, mentally fit, and trained with a pen, you should be able to obtain a firearm with the current NJ process. Are you saying if you have to wait longer than a month you're safer with a gun? This is what the liberals believe in this state and that's what we're fighting against. I will say that a mental background check may weed out the hardcore psychopaths, but I guess that can be debated and may even restrict some from obtaining a FID that may be mentally fit.

 

I'm all for eliminating our current FID and Pistol purchase permit process. I'm not saying that anyone can go buy a firearm, but I'm up for debating a better way of doing it.

Driver training and testing is required and we still see over 30,000 annual motor vehicle deaths in the US. The vast majority are accidental.

 

Only a small fraction of the considerably fewer US annual firearms deaths are accidental -- the majority are deliberate.

 

While I might think it's definitely a good idea to undergo firearm safety training -- it's so obviously a good idea that the gentlemen who wrote the Second Amendment didn't think that it was necessary to require it.

 

I don't think the "antis" need any more fuel in their fire -- they're like the perpetually-burning Pennsylvania coal mines. Once the fire is established it's almost impossible to extinguish it.

I believe it is up to us to seek the training. I take as many new shooters to the range I can. I also recommend that they get some additional training. It should not be mandatory, just common sense. I still take the experienced rider course every couple of years to keep my riding skills sharp, and I like taking weapons courses also. It would be nice if we could go back to the days where the kids could learn firearm safety in school.

so what are the chances of me finding a glock 19 in stock when I finally get some another round of permits in a few weeks lol