So I just saw this video on my Facebook timeline and it really made me think about my CCW permit. There really is a lot that goes into facing a criminal with a gun. The rise in adrenaline and the lack or preparedness. I know we all know how to draw and fire a gun, but the physiological changes that goes into facing this kind of situation throws a wild card into the mix. Is there anywhere that someone can actually consistently train our bodies to be prepared without joining the LEO or military? I know places like GFH offers simunition training. Is that the only place?

 

I've seen a lot of articles and videos about gun owners fending off intruders and attackers with their guns, but only a few of them have encountered real gun fire. What if that time comes? Whatnot can we do?

 

I remember when they did this, total set-up. The "shooter", who was a trained professional, knew who had the concealed weapon and engaged them first. I would love to see results from a real unbiased test scenario. I would also like to see the results with those in the crowd following the DHS instruction to play dead, hide under their desk or engage the shooter with their d!cks in their hand.

I remember when they did this, total set-up. The "shooter", who was a trained professional, knew who had the concealed weapon and engaged them first. I would love to see results from a real unbiased test scenario. I would also like to see the results with those in the crowd following the DHS instruction to play dead, hide under their desk or engage the shooter with their d!cks in their hand.

 

Exactly

 

And the shooter busts into the room and starts picking off people with exact precision all the while knowing which one has the gun. A more accurate scenario would be to have another amateur come through the door and start shooting, not knowing who in the room had the other fake gun.

This one again?........Already proven to be an unabashed set up.

I remember those videos also..... and I agree.

The Bad guy had the unfair advantage of knowing who was the CCW holder in the room.

 

Let's try that again with the odds evened up.... BG walks into a room full of people, with no clue if and how many CCW holders there are.....

I am betting the results will be much different

I understand that part but there are people who would freeze in given the situation. I'm saying I'd rather be THAT GUY who is well trained and know that if the time comes I'd be ready to do what is necessary. I wouldn't want to hesitate in this kind of situation. I'm saying that these videos made me think what would I do. I don't know if I would freeze or if I could perform. Knowing my personality I probably wouldn't, but I can't say that 110%.

 

Sorry for bringing back up a frowned upon video. It just made me think about myself and what I would do. I'm a firm believer that you should be prepared for the worst so that you do not get caught with your pants down and no underwear on. I'm like that with EVERYTHING.

Here's the thing I still rather have a gun on me than not you at least stand a chance of stopping the threat! This is also where training comes in handy target shooting is not tactical training and a responsible CCW holder should persure further training.

I agree with you Teky0101. That why I want to take the simunition courses from GFH, but I'd like to stay practicing what I learned. Cause as we all know if you don't use it you lose it.

 

... this writing course is gonna get out of hand lol.

I agree. This "test" is garbage. It is like taking a new driver, fresh from his first driver's education class and giving him the pole position in an F1 race. Rediculous.

 

Additionally that is as stacked a deck as I have seen. In addition to clearly knowing where the armed CCW holder would sitting, "Firearms Instructor" Glen Dorney is actually "Captain Glen Dorney" who happens to be a SWAT Team Commander for a fairly large East Coast Municipal SWAT Team. I would bet that the slant placed on that video was 100% the studio's doing. Capt. Dorney is an honest guy and a good instructor. He is also someone that I wouldn't want, even in training, to go to guns against.

 

It comes down to the fact that conditioning your mind, training your body and mainting your skill as a gunfighter to respond to a situation like that does not happen after 1 class or even 12. It is a never ending struggle to balance daily life and these skills. 1 FoF with GFH does not a gunfighter make.

 

The Marine Recon community conducted a study a few years ago to see how skill sets related to gunfighting diminished over time. They concluded that 8 days without some type of firearms training was the max before your skills degraded to the point of being measurable.

 

It is dedication to a lifestyle and it takes a few years to get there, not a half day with an instructor.

 

To paraphrase Paul Howe - "It only takes 10 minutes to gear up like a gunfighter, but it takes 10 years to become one."

 

I remember when they did this, total set-up. The "shooter", who was a trained professional, knew who had the concealed weapon and engaged them first. I would love to see results from a real unbiased test scenario. I would also like to see the results with those in the crowd following the DHS instruction to play dead, hide under their desk or engage the shooter with their d!cks in their hand.

 

This is typical "Deer in the headlights" response. Let's see--everybody in the room dons a face mask--and I have a simunition gun! Is there ANY chance that a PERP would walk through the door?? Of course not you dipsh!t! The blonde girl got shot but she returned fire and hit the cop in the femoral artery! With my street-smart situational awareness, I would NOT of been caught off-guard, I would have the holster secured so it wouldn't ride-up, I would have used my IDPA training to take cover and superior gun handling skills and the cop would have gotten half a mag pumped into him. LOL!

 

Lights OUT!

Ok maybe posting the video was a mistake. It took away from my point. Ive always been bad at getting my point across. I just wanted to know how I could grow as a responsible gun owner.

while the test is totally bias... I think there is an issue with a ton of people buying guns and carrying them without any training... I have never had to shoot at someone... or had someone shoot at me... but I have been run through some pretty hard scenarios with a lot of yelling and confusion... and shooting accurately in chaos is pretty difficult..

Ok maybe posting the video was a mistake. It took away from my point. Ive always been bad at getting my point across. I just wanted to know how I could grow as a responsible gun owner.

 

Shoot every week!

 

Shoot IDPA Matches!

 

Shoot USPSA Matches!

 

Shoot EVERY week!

 

Dry fire till your hands know your gun(s).

 

Wear the gun around the house till you forget that you have it on, in a REAL holster!

 

Shoot every week!

 

Did I say Shoot EVERY week??

Lol thanks smokin .50.

^^ Don't forget retention

 

I've done some of Anthony's classes at GFH and I lurned some things

 

I'd be Swiss like cheese in a gun fight against a career SWAT officer though. My only hope would be getting the drop on them (I don't carry open unless I'm hiking and shedding layers)

 

Consider flying out to the desert to take some classes, I can't think of a better way to spend a weekend.

Was this the video they did on CBS where they gave those 4 college students an hour of training, bulky gloves and an oversized t-shirt and expected them to fend off an attacker who knew exactly who they were?

 

Yeah, that was a set up.

I am thinking to start playing airsoft force on force matches...to augment uspsa and steel shoots.

And I also have ccw license and spent few days in PA carrying.. hated every minute of it.. Never got comfortable.

And I also have ccw license and spent few days in PA carrying.. hated every minute of it.. Never got comfortable.

 

 

"Comforting not comfortable"

Murdock what are you referring when you say desert? What classes?

Murdock what are you referring when you say desert? What classes?

 

Front Sight has a number of classes and facilities that are often in desert locations.

There really needs to be a rebuttal video for that one. I'm surprised no one has done it yet

 

 

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Shooting ever week is only half of it.

 

http://shivworks.com/?cat=12

 

Take this extremely eye opening and affordable class.

 

Having a gun is great if you can keep your hold on, and since statistically most encounters happen 0-5 feet.

 

Is it worth it to even draw, if someone is in your face?

So I just saw this video on my Facebook timeline and it really made me think about my CCW permit. There really is a lot that goes into facing a criminal with a gun. The rise in adrenaline and the lack or preparedness. I know we all know how to draw and fire a gun, but the physiological changes that goes into facing this kind of situation throws a wild card into the mix. Is there anywhere that someone can actually consistently train our bodies to be prepared without joining the LEO or military? I know places like GFH offers simunition training. Is that the only place?

 

I've seen a lot of articles and videos about gun owners fending off intruders and attackers with their guns, but only a few of them have encountered real gun fire. What if that time comes? Whatnot can we do?

 

I'm no expert but if you happen to be lucky enough to live in a free state and carry, there are tons of stuff you can do to prepare. When at home, practice drawing repeatedly wearing all the different kinds of clothes you typically wear. Do this standing, sitting, crouching, on your side, lying down, with one hand free and with both hands. Situational awareness is key. Be aware of entries/exits as well as likely routes a shooter would take to get from A to B, start looking at people instead of avoiding eye contact, know where your areas of cover & concealment are, and choose your seat or where you stand in a room wisely. Most importantly, always have a plan B and be prepared to improvise because things never play out how you've imagined. Those who are more experienced could go on, but these are just some of the basics.

 

It's good that any video (I'm thinking this one you came across

) has gotten you thinking about training, but that is hardly a fair representation of a likely scenario. If i had the resources to do a rebuttal video I most certainly would. Gotta love the video description too, "CCW permit holders don't protect innocent people. They kill them." I don't know about you, but I didn't see any of the volunteers shoot a bystander.

 

First, look at the gunman. The average mass shooter is a mentally disturbed individual with no tactical firearm training. Instead of using one of the study volunteers to fill this role (as they would have a similar tactical training level as the average real world gunman), the police select one of their ERT (SWAT) Officers. When was the last time a highly trained SWAT officer shot up one of our schools or public places? Also, if you didn't notice the volunteer is sitting in the same seat every time. Why not let the CCW holder choose their seat or at least randomize the location?

 

Secondly, look at the equipment. I understand the safety precautions due to the simunitions, but the volunteers were sabotaged. A full-sized Glock in a holster designed for open carry with a Fat Albert sized t-shirt over top to cover it and Mechanix work gloves that the participants put on for the first time seconds before the shooter barged in. C'mon this is a clear attempt to discredit those citizens who take on the responsibility to carry.

If we could find a location and gather people for the video I would love to edit it. The resources seem to be availble to some in the forum. When I was younger I would have been able to do all this myself. Now, I would need a team.

 

Mu favorite part of that video is when the other guy starts shooting at the "CCW" from two seats away and they're like "see? Worthless"

I would be interested in doing a video like that to. I have a friend with all the equipment as well. I'm sure he'd be interested in seeing this. He's not a FID holder but he's open to learning more. I have a few friends I'm sure would like to participate in it as well.

Murdock what are you referring when you say desert? What classes?

 

I'm referring to the southwest US which is a hotbed for training programs. Probably due to the pro 2A atmosphere and the vast rugged and remote outdoor environment.

Wow, does that video actually say that calling 911 and waiting for the cops is better?

Too bad a real competitive action shooter wasn't allowed to fight back from wherever in the room they wanted to sit! I wonder how frustrating it would be to the Cop if he got double-tapped a couple times?? LOL!