Iv had allot of people asking me about the "Permanent" in regards to muzzle device pinning.

 

We all know that pinned and welded is fine.

 

What about press fit? I have seen that stag seems to press fit the pin.

 

Can someone chime in.

Actually. Pin and Weld comes from ATF's interpretation of nullifying the threads. The brake on a NJ firearm need not be permanent if there are no threads.

Does anyone know of someone in SNJ that does a pin and weld? Hopefully while I wait?

 

I have an upper I'm about to send off to ADCO but if I can get it done locally and quickly I'd prefer that.

 

Thanks!

Lol totally didnt think of you, Paul.

 

I'll ring you next week and set something up.

 

Thank you!

 

Paul would be your man.

To make it more interesting, there is no case law that I am aware of around what would constitute making a threaded barrel a non-threaded barrel in NJ by way of "permanently" attaching a muzzle device. There is no definition in NJ as to what constitutes "permanent", so everybody goes with the old ATF AWB definition in hopes that it is good enough and would hold up in court if challenged.

 

Does anyone know of a case where someone was prosecuted for a pinned brake on a barrel that the courts didn't deem the method "permanent" enough?

I've seen a pretty cool brake once. It was 2 parts, it had a piece that attached to the rifle and then the brake attached to that with a coupler that reminded me of a quick disconnect for an air hose.

 

The brake itself wasn't connected but the base of it was. Sound legal in NJ?

Iv had allot of people asking me about the "Permanent" in regards to muzzle device pinning.

 

We all know that pinned and welded is fine.

 

What about press fit? I have seen that stag seems to press fit the pin.

 

Can someone chime in.

 

What exactly is press fitting? My stag has a pin and I'd have to saw that thing off to remove it

I've seen a pretty cool brake once. It was 2 parts, it had a piece that attached to the rifle and then the brake attached to that with a coupler that reminded me of a quick disconnect for an air hose.

 

The brake itself wasn't connected but the base of it was. Sound legal in NJ?

 

It was legal during the federal AWB, the carbon 15 shipped with a brake like that.

 

 

It was legal during the federal AWB, the carbon 15 shipped with a brake like that.

 

Now that I think of it, thats the rifle it was on. Cool. Thanks for the info.

Just was asked this question and figure i would bring it back to this thread.

 

If you take a muzzle break drill the pin hole when thread it,  make you indent on the barrel to accept the pin then use a stainless machine screw that is silver soldered into place then cut off for a nice clean look. that legal?

 

the SS would be 1150 degree and since the threads are holding the pin and SS is only to join the pin to the brake would that be considered permanent?

In my humble opinion a press fit pin is permenant. I am sure that all manufacturers that ship NJ legal AR's to New Jersey got some sort of confirmation that a blind pinned stock is considered permenant before they shipped here. I know its NJ but I think they would have a hard time claiming that blind pinning is considered permenant on one end and not the other.