This from CNN, which is pretty liberal:

 

"Eight weeks after the massacre of 20 Connecticut first-graders, a ban on the kind of semi-automatic rifle used by the killer remains elusive -- if not impossible... President Barack Obama still calls for updating a 1994 assault weapons ban that expired 10 years later as part of his package of steps intended to reduce chronic gun violence in America, especially in major cities. However, fierce opposition by the powerful National Rifle Association and millions of American gun owners has shifted debate away from prohibiting specific weapons to making it harder for criminals, terrorists and the mentally ill to obtain guns."

 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/08/politics/weapons-ban/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

What do you guys make of this?

At the federal level, perhaps... though it's no time to be lulled into a false sense of victory. We need to keep fighting.

 

However, at the state level, it seems some states are falling hard.

I would say the fight is far from over but there is no doubting that gun owners are being heard and not going away..i think the whole background check and mental health reform angle is something most gun owners would prefer rather than AWB or mag limits.

This from CNN, which is pretty liberal:

 

"Eight weeks after the massacre of 20 Connecticut first-graders, a ban on the kind of semi-automatic rifle used by the killer remains elusive -- if not impossible... President Barack Obama still calls for updating a 1994 assault weapons ban that expired 10 years later as part of his package of steps intended to reduce chronic gun violence in America, especially in major cities.  However, fierce opposition by the powerful National Rifle Association and millions of American gun owners has shifted debate away from prohibiting specific weapons to making it harder for criminals, terrorists and the mentally ill to obtain guns."

 

http://www.cnn.com/2....html?hpt=hp_t2

 

What do you guys make of this?

 

If that quote is true, we are losing.  They are talking about further restrictions on prohibitions, registrations, background checks, anything they can do to reduce firearm ownership among the Citizens now and put mechanisms in place that can be easily tightened later.

We're in serious trouble. The rally was a good start today but the numbers weren't what they needed. It was a friday with tons of notice. The 23 bills getting voting on net week need serious attendance and I am not convinced it will happen ecause of the days and the amount of notice (which was obviously intentional). I have only been involved in firearms for a year and I am worried it won't be much longer. This really sucks. As far as the media, they say this to get the Pro 2A in a false sense of security in the hopes we drop our guard.

NON OF ANY OF ALL THIS IS 'GOOD' NEWS.

 

NONE.

I think so...

 

1 million gun owners in NJ and this is what showed up:

At the federal level, perhaps... though it's no time to be lulled into a false sense of victory. We need to keep fighting.

 

However, at the state level, it seems some states are falling hard.

 

The fight is heated and current, and something people have to realize will never be over. Doesn't matter if we block everything or so etching passes, the on going fight for the 2A even if the whole country went back and lived it word by word letter by letter, we would always have people who want it some other way so it will never end.

 

Another thing to remember, it's not if a majority of people are for the 2A, it wouldn't matter if there was only 1 person left who supported it, it's a RIGHT end of story.

 

 

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1 million gun owners in NJ and this is what showed up:

 

That wasn't when everyone was there, that pic was earlier in the morning. Regardless, there was a good showing, and by percentage, look at how many people here on the forum made it.

Would I have liked to see more, heck yea, but I see it as we the people who were there can share our experience, our will to brave whatever weather to stand up for our rights and make sure we all bring or be responsible for having more people attend in the future.

 

 

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That wasn't when everyone was there, that pic was earlier in the morning. Regardless, there was a good showing, and by percentage, look at how many people here on the forum made it. Would I have liked to see more, heck yea, but I see it as we the people who were there can share our experience, our will to brave whatever weather to stand up for our rights and make sure we all bring or be responsible for having more people attend in the future. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

 

That picture is pretty accurate. I took a similar picture and 3 others at different points during the day. With terrible weather, impending blizzard, the turnout is not bad. I was in the crowd then visited a friend in the statehouse who took me upstairs to the 4th floor. The people working for the assembly were all watching from the top floor and they said most protests don't get this many people, except for union protests. They were impressed, even though most did not agree with the sentiment

 

That picture is pretty accurate. I took a similar picture and 3 others at different points during the day. With terrible weather, impending blizzard, the turnout is not bad. I was in the crowd then visited a friend in the statehouse who took me upstairs to the 4th floor. The people working for the assembly were all watching from the top floor and they said most protests don't get this many people, except for union protests. They were impressed, even though most did not agree with the sentiment

 

Well if your chummy enough to be up there with them, you should have wished them well in what ever their next career is being we the people will not tolerate people who don't want we don't take their oath seriously.

 

Enough is enough and the time is now, yes it's been said before in history, but too many people in the past didn't pay attention to past history and god damn if we will let them take our rights away when it's all said and done. Only difference today is, as a country as a whole we have more supporters than antis, we have facts on our side and way too many who will not let the USA go the way of other people who have lost everything, and I'm not just talking their guns..

 

 

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Well if your chummy enough to be up there with them, you should have wished them well in what ever their next career is being we the people will not tolerate people who don't want we don't take their oath seriously.

 

Enough is enough and the time is now, yes it's been said before in history, but too many people in the past didn't pay attention to past history and god damn if we will let them take our rights away when it's all said and done. Only difference today is, as a country as a whole we have more supporters than antis, we have facts on our side and way too many who will not let the USA go the way of other people who have lost everything, and I'm not just talking their guns..

 

 

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the R staffers said good things. some D staffers scoffed but for the most part, like I said, were surprised at the size of the crowd given the weather. Whether that's a good barometer or not, I don't know

 

 

I spoke to the Ledger photographers up there and then a maintenance manager for the statehouse who shared with me some of the most common sense 2A arguments. It was pleasant to speak with him and he ardently supported the rally, was complimenting the signs, and nodded along with the speakers. When I asked him where he lived, he said, "PA, are you kidding me? I may work in NJ but no way I am living here!" Then proceeded to boast about how when he got his carry permit, it took 10 minutes from start to finish. He walked in, told his Sheriff he wanted to get his permit, they took his prints, ran some check, and in 10 minutes walked out the door with a carry permit. His words.

 

Meanwhile here I waited 6 months once just to change the address on my FID

I think "we" are winning -- the war, but certainly not all the individual battles.

 

NY, CT, MA, MD, DC, RI, IL, MN, CA and HI are lost IMO. CO looks "iffy" right now.

 

NJ is questionable. The odd-year state elections have made it a little more conservative (really!) than it might be otherwise. (Were it not for that, we'd just be an extension of "Moscow on the Hudson".) Chris Christie's political ambitions figure large in this. I think Tom Keane or Christie Whitman would have been more receptive to more restrictions.

 

But in close to 40 states, things look either OK or good.

We are losing plain and simple. This is a war of attrition and the leaders of our groups need a different strategy. We are fighting this battle in the trenches during the day while our enemies travel by night through tunnels. The media so long as it is not on our side is our greatest threat. To win this battle we need to win the media. I am one who firmly believes the conservative voice of America needs a medium similar to Jon Stewart. We need a to find a way to play the sympathy card. Most importantly we need to get our hands in the education system. How we do those things is beyond me. But that is exactly what the liberals have been doing for years and that is why they are winning and I fear they are gaining steam. They have realized that it is near impossible to make the changes they want in one move. So they are pushing it on to the states and look at what we are seeing. We must not give in. We must never give up. We can prevail.

We are losing plain and simple. This is a war of attrition and the leaders of our groups need a different strategy. We are fighting this battle in the trenches during the day while our enemies travel by night through tunnels. The media so long as it is not on our side is our greatest threat. To win this battle we need to win the media. I am one who firmly believes the conservative voice of America needs a medium similar to Jon Stewart. We need a to find a way to play the sympathy card. Most importantly we need to get our hands in the education system. How we do those things is beyond me. But that is exactly what the liberals have been doing for years and that is why they are winning and I fear they are gaining steam. They have realized that it is near impossible to make the changes they want in one move. So they are pushing it on to the states and look at what we are seeing. We must not give in. We must never give up. We can prevail.

 

If there were enough of us taking it seriously the elections would have gone differently. The key is to get more of us involved and no matter what we're doing, too many are on the sidelines. Thats why we're going to lose. It will be too late for those who look at us like we're extremists. Then when the cloth is pulled from under then they'll ask "How did this happen". I think nationwide overall it will be ok but in this state I can't see how it will remain where it is or better. When I call and fax letters, there are no busy signals. Its easy to get through. TThey should be lit up. If they get 20 letters from me in one day, that's still only 1 person. The final nail in the coffin is the politicians don't care. They don't do what the people want. They do whats good for them.

If there were enough of us taking it seriously the elections would have gone differently. The key is to get more of us involved and no matter what we're doing, too many are on the sidelines. Thats why we're going to lose. It will be too late for those who look at us like we're extremists. Then when the cloth is pulled from under then they'll ask "How did this happen". I think nationwide overall it will be ok but in this state I can't see how it will remain where it is or better. When I call and fax letters, there are no busy signals. Its easy to get through. TThey should be lit up. If they get 20 letters from me in one day, that's still only 1 person. The final nail in the coffin is the politicians don't care. They don't do what the people want. They do whats good for them.

The do what the people want because the people have been fooled. Mindless drones waiting for their next feeding with no idea they COULD get it themselves.

The fight is heated and current, and something people have to realize will never be over.

 

It certainly will be over. If we don't have Constitutional protections against Congress, we will lose all of our Rights eventually. If we reestablish Constitutional protections, then it is also over.There is no third option. It will NOT go on forever.

Well on a long enough time scale the survival rate for everyone drops to zero. It's the messy bits in between that are interesting.

Well on a long enough time scale the survival rate for everyone drops to zero. It's the messy bits in between that are interesting.

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