Pin them yourself for a cost of a rivet.

 

http://www.44mag.com/product/nhmtg_magazine_magpul_follower/223_ar15_magazines

 

 

 

New Jersey: Any magazine over 15 round capacity cannot be sold and only repair kits will be shipped.

 

I think they will only ship you the repair kit, not the magazine. Unless i'm not understanding that.

The repair kit consists of everything, it's just unassembled.

The repair kit consists of everything, it's just unassembled.

 

Yep. Take all parts. Drill. Rivet gun. Rivet. Assemble quality parts in to 10 or 15 rd as needed.

And it's still 100% illegal in NJ. There is no such thing as "parts kits" or "repair kits" for magazines in NJ. If it can be assembled into a complete 15+ magazine, then it is illegal. Period.

So having bunch of parts that are used to assemble perfectly legal (today) 15 rd mags is illegal?

 

I am pretty sure in order for crime to be committed, there has to be an intent...and act.

 

Having Ar with unpinned muzzle break is a crime..having spare muzzle break so your gunsmith can swap them is not...

 

But I do agree..this is very gray area.

 

Is there a case law to support any position?

Is it illegal to have all the parts to assemble an ar with a flash hider and collapsible stock?

 

Same idea

Most people have the ingredients to make a bomb or meth in their house, very grey area on the magazines though.

Only an FFL can legally receive and modify a greater than 15 round mag into a mag that holds no more than 15 rounds, if the greater than 15 round mags comes into the State of NJ assembled or unassembled. Of course if the mag is shipped to you in PA and permanently modified by you their it is ok. The reason is that possesssion of a greater than 15 round mag is considered contraband and a fourth degree crime in NJ

Most people have the ingredients to make a bomb or meth in their house, very grey area on the magazines though.

 

Those ingredients have specific uses. What other uses does a magazine body and follower have.

Well..if you have all parts to build compete AR I can see the point. But let's say you already have perfectly NJ legal AR. And perfectly legal pinned 15/30 mags. Does having spare parts for it make you criminal? What if you purchased new buffer tube with new stock that you intend pinning in certain position and installing?

 

Really gray area.

Its not apples to apples. If you have an unpinned Mag body and all the other pieces there is nothing to prevent you from assembling an illegal magazine. A pinned comp is a permenant part of the rifle therefore another flash hider can't realistically be assembled

The stock body would make it illegal

They are over priced anyway, cops has them for much cheaper.

 

Yep. Take all parts. Drill. Rivet gun. Rivet. Assemble quality parts in to 10 or 15 rd as needed.

 

As long as you do this before you cross the state line back to NJ you ok in a state that doesn't have a restriction lower than NJ's. but you by letter of the law can't make these changes yourself in the state of NJ unless you are an FFL.

 

 

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I see your point. If I do order it, I will ship it to PA address. I will pin it there.

 

 

But it's so stupid, it's like being punished for crime you have not committed yet. Or not even intend on commuting. ...sure one has parts.. But will he assemble it in to something illegal or not....? Almost Shakespeare.

 

What was that movie with Tom Cruise where guy was being punished before crime was committed?

Smart ain't got nothing to do with it unfortunately

Most people have the ingredients to make a bomb or meth in their house, very grey area on the magazines though.

 

Soooooo....about the meth part... Pm me

 

 

hahahaha

 

 

Soooooo....about the meth part... Pm me

 

 

hahahaha

Haha

I see your point. If I do order it, I will ship it to PA address. I will pin it there.

 

 

But it's so stupid, it's like being punished for crime you have not committed yet. Or not even intend on commuting. ...sure one has parts.. But will he assemble it in to something illegal or not....? Almost Shakespeare.

 

What was that movie with Tom Cruise where guy was being punished before crime was committed?

 

Got ya, I don't agree with it either, but we have to do what we have to for now. To me I find it offensive when people even use the term "high capacity" in the first place. High capacity is when I can't carry my gun or rifle any longer due to weight up to that, it's just # the mag holds.

 

 

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This is a bit of a thread jack and I may not get the answer, but how does one go about limiting a standard capacity steel mag to a 15 rounder that is legal in NJ? I have about fifty of these in a storage box in NC and I really don't want to get rid of them as I brought them back from Iraq with me, they are the only "war trophies" I have besides the Iraqi police and army patches I traded some gear for.

Easiest way I have seen is load 15 rounds. Take off bottom plate remove your spring but not the follower. Insert wooden dowel and cut so.it sits a hair inside of mag. Put back in spring and bade plate. Now the difficult part. Permanently attach the base plate. .. jb weld... rivet it on the bottom so.it cant slide off or weld it on. 2 tack welds would work. Now will rattle but will only hold 15 rounds. Hope I helped

Easiest way I have seen is load 15 rounds. Take off bottom plate remove your spring but not the follower. Insert wooden dowel and cut so.it sits a hair inside of mag. Put back in spring and bade plate. Now the difficult part. Permanently attach the base plate. .. jb weld... rivet it on the bottom so.it cant slide off or weld it on. 2 tack welds would work. Now will rattle but will only hold 15 rounds. Hope I helped

 

You did. I just contacted my buddy I left with the keys to the storage box. He's going to do this and measure the size of the block so I can fab something up at work.

Awesome

This is a bit of a thread jack and I may not get the answer, but how does one go about limiting a standard capacity steel mag to a 15 rounder that is legal in NJ? I have about fifty of these in a storage box in NC and I really don't want to get rid of them as I brought them back from Iraq with me, they are the only "war trophies" I have besides the Iraqi police and army patches I traded some gear for.

 

I use easier method...of course i do it at my friends house in PA...

 

Easiest way I have seen is load 15 rounds

Get Rivets and river gun, I use small aluminum rivets

Take off bottom plate remove your spring but not the follower.

Note where the bottom of the follower is. ad another 1/8 of an inch

drill a hole

insert rivet..

and you are done.

 

this works only on magpul followers.

 

because mag is curved, spring is pressed against the backside of the mag. so driving small rivet in the front wall of the mag, does not interferes with spring action.. just stops follower from going lower.

 

Also allows for magazine (partial) disasembly

 

also works on AK mags.

5. A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault firearm,

or any combination of parts from which an assault firearm may be readily assembled if those parts

are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

 

"Weapon" means anything readily capable of lethal use or of inflicting serious bodily injury. The

term includes, but is not limited to, all:

1. Firearms, even though not loaded or lacking a clip or other component to render them

immediately operable;

2. Components which can be readily assembled into a weapon;

"Readily" is not defined in the laws but is defined as: without delay or difficulty.

This is something you would have to decide for yourself. Personally, It's not worth jail time. I'll stick too mags that were modified out of state.

 

Do you have a friend in PA who could legally receive the magazines and modify them to be compliant before they travel over the bridge? Or someone who dould hold them until you get there and modify them for their voyage into the PRNJ?

I use easier method...of course i do it at my friends house in PA...

 

Easiest way I have seen is load 15 rounds

Get Rivets and river gun, I use small aluminum rivets

Take off bottom plate remove your spring but not the follower.

Note where the bottom of the follower is. ad another 1/8 of an inch

drill a hole

insert rivet..

and you are done.

 

this works only on magpul followers.

 

because mag is curved, spring is pressed against the backside of the mag. so driving small rivet in the front wall of the mag, does not interferes with spring action.. just stops follower from going lower.

 

Also allows for magazine (partial) disasembly

 

also works on AK mags.

 

Thank You for the idea.

"Large capacity ammunition magazine" means a box, drum, tube or other container, which is

capable of holding more than 15 rounds of ammunition to be fed continuously and directly

therefrom into a semi-automatic firearm. A large capacity ammunition magazine that has been

permanently altered so that it is not capable of holding more than 15 rounds of ammunition will

cease to be defined as a "large capacity ammunition magazine." An ammunition magazine, which

has been temporarily blocked or modified from holding more than 15 rounds, as by a piece of wood

or a pin, is still considered to be a "large capacity ammunition magazine."

 

Easiest way I have seen is load 15 rounds. Take off bottom plate remove your spring but not the follower. Insert wooden dowel and cut so.it sits a hair inside of mag. Put back in spring and bade plate. Now the difficult part. Permanently attach the base plate. .. jb weld... rivet it on the bottom so.it cant slide off or weld it on. 2 tack welds would work. Now will rattle but will only hold 15 rounds. Hope I helped

 

The law mentions a wooden block - specifically. have you considered a different material? Would your argument be: The intent of the law is to prevent the wooden block from being easily removed and since I weld the base plate, the block is no longer removable....

Have used a plastic block... as long as you cant load any more then 15 rounds.. and cant remove the base then I would presume it is legal. I have been toying with an idea of a limiting follower so the mags can still be cleaned. Tryed at families house in pa expoxing a piece of plastic to a follower on a usgi mag.. worked great for the first 5 loads.. the epoxy then gave and jamned the mag. Magpul makes limiters for 20 round mags to make them 5 round mags. If you take this limiter in theory and put in a 30 round pmag it will then be a 15 round mag. Toying with the idea of modifing the spares I have in oreder to fit a usgi mag. If this is possible simply epoxy or riveting the base plate on with the follower would be fine and will mot rattle

rivets are not permanent thus not legal IMO.. NJ is working off of the wording "capable"... capable is an extremely vague wording... the only way to ensure the mag has no capability to hold more than 15 rounds a permanent change must be made...the intention of the law is clear.. and that is NO magazine that even has the capacity to hold more than 15...

 

The State recognizes that some of its representatives may have provided

informal advice to the effect that an ammunition magazine may be temporarily

blocked to hold no more than 15 rounds; however, the Attorney General has never

expressly adopted this position. To the contrary, through the promulgation of

this regulation, the State expressly rejects that interpretation of the

statute. Any person who currently owns or possesses an ammunition magazine

which has been temporarily blocked from holding more than 15 rounds is hereby

advised that he or she may retain possession of that ammunition magazine until

the effective date of this amendment, that is, the date the notice of its

adoption by the Division of State Police is published by the Office of

Administrative Law in the New Jersey Register, see N.J.A.C. 1:30-6.6. During

this time period, a person who owns or possesses an ammunition magazine which

has been temporarily blocked from holding more than 15 rounds shall either: (1)

transfer such ammunition magazine to any person or firm lawfully entitled to

own or possess a large capacity ammunition magazine; (2) render such ammunition

magazine permanently incapable of holding more than 15 rounds; or (3)

voluntarily surrender the ammunition magazine pursuant to the provisions of

N.J.S.A. 2C:39-12. After the effective date of this amendment, a person who

owns or possesses an ammunition magazine which has been temporarily blocked

from holding more than 15 rounds shall voluntarily surrender the ammunition

magazine pursuant to the provisions of N.J.S.A. 2C:39-12 or risk prosecution

for unlawful possession of a large capacity magazine pursuant to N.J.S.A.

2C:39-3(j).

 

http://www.state.nj....p/rp010702a.htm

 

there is no difference between temporary blocked.. and parts kits...

the end result is the same to the state... a magazine that could be assembled into a high(er) capacity mag...

 

right or wrong.. the state does not want you to have in your possession a magazine that has ANY capacity to EVER hold more than 15 rounds.. period.. that is their intention... will you win in court? maybe? will you end up in court? maybe? not worth it to find out..