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Bad weapon or bad Ammo?

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Was at the range this morning and rented a Kimber 1911 9mm and they had Fiocchi 9mm rounds. The box said 9AP 115 grain full metal jacket. I liked the feel of the gun and actually shot very well with it, but as a new shooter I just about crapped my pants as I have never had feed or ejection problems until now. The first was an ejection problem where after the shot the slide stayed open and the round to be ejected was still have way in the chamber jambed against the incoming round. The range officer came out and cleared it for me. Then I had two feed jambs later on. Was this most likely the weapon or is it more likely the Ammo?

Hard to say, Kimber makes a fine weapon but it's a rental and who know when the last time is was cleaned, or serviced properly and how many rounds have been put through it. It can be an extractor/ejector issue which is typically simple to repair. It could also be an ammo issue due to the fact manufactures are cranking out ammo at record paces, there are going to be quality control issues for sure.

If I had to guess I'd say the extractor is out of tune. The standard 1911 extractor doesn't work like most, it controls both extraction and feeding to some degree, and on a rental gun who knows how many rounds it has on it.

Most likely a dirty gun. 1911's like to be clean and rentals are not usually cleaned often enough. Or it may have even been you, limp wristing can cause all kinds of cycling issues.

Or it may have even been you, limp wristing can cause all kinds of cycling issues.

 

Good point.

Probabilities:

extractor issue

ammo issue

grip issue

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Most likely a dirty gun. 1911's like to be clean and rentals are not usually cleaned often enough. Or it may have even been you, limp wristing can cause all kinds of cycling issues.

 

Could you explain limp wristing, I am not familiar as to what that means. I don't think it was a grip issue, as I shot about the best I have ever done. 90+% of my shots were within a 4" circle and the one where I had the first problem was dead center on the target.

It's a rental. Who knows how many rounds have been put through it without maintenance, spring changes, cleaning or lubrication. Renting a gun is a great way to see if you like it before purchase but it should not be used as an indication of reliability.

 

 

Could you explain limp wristing, I am not familiar as to what that means. I don't think it was a grip issue, as I shot about the best I have ever done. 90+% of my shots were within a 4" circle and the one where I had the first problem was dead center on the target.

 

Simple explanation, keep a firm grip on the gun, don't let your wrist break with the recoil. It seems to be a problem for some people with some guns. If I dont keep a good grip on my 9mm 1911 it will act up. My 1911 in 45 doesn't seem to care how I hold it, it always cycles fine.

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Simple explanation, keep a firm grip on the gun, don't let your wrist break with the recoil. It seems to be a problem for some people with some guns. If I dont keep a good grip on my 9mm 1911 it will act up. My 1911 in 45 doesn't seem to care how I hold it, it always cycles fine.

 

OK, thanks. Is that something that I could have been doing yet still achieving good shot placement?

yes. just ensure your wrists are locked. as the others said, it's likely a dirty gun or ammo. fiocchi isn't know as the worlds best ammo.

From the home range of the OP, I would assume the rental place is RTSP. They do have a big variety of guns, but have you guys looked at them; it seems that they are never cleaned.

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