So, in keeping with our guerilla campaign, I'm thinking it would be interesting to find out which of our overlords are among the lucky 32,000 CCW holders.

 

I'm investigating how to access records under OPRA, and here's what I came up with.

http://www.nj.gov/grc/act.html

 

Here's a key passage:

 

"The custodian of a government record shall permit the record to be inspected, examined, and copied by any person during regular business hours"

 

Does this mean, if I can find out who keeps records of CCW holders, I can just show up and flip through the files?

 

They do carve out a vague exemption:

"a public agency has a responsibility and an obligation to safeguard from public access a citizen's personal information with which it has been entrusted when disclosure thereof would violate the citizen's reasonable expectation of privacy"

 

But, if they've felt compelled to introduce a bill protecting this information, doesn't that imply that under the existing condition, this information is not considered private?"

 

So, does anyone have any idea where this information might be kept?

Review this: http://www.state.nj.us/opra/ and this http://www.nj.gov/grc/public/citizens/

 

You get to see nothing in-person. You get what you request as far as what's legal for you to see (see guide and exemptions in links). Expect plenty of it to be redacted. If you are looking for the number of NJ CCW holders, you need no OPRA request. There are 32,000 from the GAO report. You wil never get names so don't bother. You will also never get FPID holder specifics. This information is already protected, and that protection will be fully codified with one of the Bills to be voted next week. You should be able to get the total number issued though. Expect your request to be fulfilled in time gauged in months, and this is based on direct experience.

Legally they have 30 days to give you the record.

Legally they have 30 days to give you the record.

 

Not exactly. The custodian is required to respond to the OPRA request within 7 business days. The custodian can respond with an extension and provide a deadline date for record delivery. It is very common for sensitive records to take some time with several communications with the custodian. Simple things like budgets and maps are easy.

Is there really that much to see?

 

I would bet my paycheck the people who have them are

 

1. Retired LEO's

2. Members of LEO's families

3. Politicians (mayors, council people etc)

4. Politicians friends (owners of bars, brothels, massage parlors)

 

Those are your overlords

 

Just remember, keep paying taxes, they need to protect you! Ref #'s 2,3 +4

Review this:  http://www.state.nj.us/opra/  and this http://www.nj.gov/grc/public/citizens/

 

You get to see nothing in-person.  

 

I get to see stuff in person from OPRA requests all the time.  I've been doing it for nearly 10 years I would guess and do it personally at least half a dozen times a year.  Most of the time I have to go to an agency office and look through the original files.  If there isn't much, some times they fax it to me free of charge (depending on agency) or let me pay for copy charges sight-unseen and mail it to me.

 

But, 90% of the time, I have to see it in person.

 

Under statute they must respond in 7 days, and they do.  99% of the time that response includes exactly what they have.  During emergencies or in extremely rare cases they can justify telling you that they have stuff somewhere, where it is, and that they have not been able to get to it yet because it is very old and they don't control the site/etc.

 

They are very backed up and it has sometimes taken months to get copies of large files during the past year.  Better to go see the stuff in person for the time being, until things get back to normal.

I get to see stuff in person from OPRA requests all the time. I've been doing it for nearly 10 years I would guess and do it personally at least half a dozen times a year. Most of the time I have to go to an agency office and look through the original files. If there isn't much, some times they fax it to me free of charge (depending on agency) or let me pay for copy charges sight-unseen and mail it to me.

 

But, 90% of the time, I have to see it in person.

 

Under statute they must respond in 7 days, and they do. 99% of the time that response includes exactly what they have. During emergencies or in extremely rare cases they can justify telling you that they have stuff somewhere, where it is, and that they have not been able to get to it yet because it is very old and they don't control the site/etc.

 

They are very backed up and it has sometimes taken months to get copies of large files during the past year. Better to go see the stuff in person for the time being, until things get back to normal.

 

Interesting... I've yet to have them open up any unrestricted access to me in-person. Then again, 99% of what I have to request with my work is on the highly sensitive side with more black redaction on the page than not, and in Jersey doesn't seem to matter what level of clearance you hold... Thanks for the additional information!

Interesting... I've yet to have them open up any unrestricted access to me in-person.  Then again, 99% of what I have to request with my work is on the highly sensitive side with more black redaction on the page than not, and in Jersey doesn't seem to matter what level of clearance you hold...  Thanks for the additional information!

 

Yeah, I've run into very little of the type of stuff you do.

What I have found out recently, because I never involved myself in these, is that municipalities seem to be lightning fast getting you stuff.  These kind of OPRA requests always were presumably done by admin people over the last ten years of my career because they are usually non-critical and non-technical in nature.  But over the past year we came up with a new rule that we would make one call to a municipality and it we didn't get what or who we needed in 48 hours we would OPRA them.  You get a definitive response and they seem to like to just send you the stuff fast.

 

I would encourage people living in NJ to do the same thing if you get the telephone runaround for more than a day or two from your municipality or county.  The people on the phone have no obligation to you, the people that receive your OPRA request have to get you the answers/documents you request.  And, it's free, unless you need to pay for copies.

Is there really that much to see?

 

I would bet my paycheck the people who have them are

 

1. Retired LEO's

2. Members of LEO's families

3. Politicians (mayors, council people etc)

4. Politicians friends (owners of bars, brothels, massage parlors)

 

Those are your overlords

 

Just remember, keep paying taxes, they need to protect you! Ref #'s 2,3 +4

That's exactly right. I want names which might be useful in future campaigns.

I just don't know which agency to approach.

can you opra your own fpid and pistol permits timeline?

Is there really that much to see?

 

I would bet my paycheck the people who have them are

 

1. Retired LEO's

2. Members of LEO's families

3. Politicians (mayors, council people etc)

4. Politicians friends (owners of bars, brothels, massage parlors)

 

Those are your overlords

 

Just remember, keep paying taxes, they need to protect you! Ref #'s 2,3 +4

 

Yeah...nice try, but no

That's exactly right. I want names which might be useful in future campaigns.

I just don't know which agency to approach.

 

You won't get names, ever. But feel free to ask...

OK, Maybe I can get numbers by town? It would be helpful to know how many FID holders exist in each district.

One more idea, and I can even find out where to go for this.

We know Cryan makes $49,000 as an assemblyman. What does he make as undersheriff?

Name JOSEPH P CRYAN

County Union

Location UNION COUNTY

Pension fund Public Employees Retirement System

Pension group

Veteran status

Pension enrollment

year 2001

Base salary, 2011* $111,772

Number of jobs* 1

Total salary, 2011* $111,772

 

http://php.app.com/NJpublicemployees12/results.php?lastn=Cryan&firstn=&location=%25&countyname=%25&fundname=%25&Submit=Search

Did he leave his middle initial out to cause confusion?

 

 

 

Name JOSEPH CRYAN

County Mercer

Location GENERAL ASSEMBLY

Pension fund Legislative Retirement System

Pension group

Veteran status

Pension enrollment

year 0

Base salary, 2011* $49,000

Number of jobs* 1

Total salary, 2011* $49,000

 

OK, Maybe I can get numbers by town? It would be helpful to know how many FID holders exist in each district.

 

I can tell you that the way the SBI database is maintained, that is certainly something that could be queried, but I don't know that they would put the manpower on such request since you are talking 1 million holder across how many towns in this State? I am certain they would do a sort for some specific towns/cities/boroughs, or you just might flat-out get a response of that level of detail begins to infringe upon holder privacy. The more specific your OPRA request, the better.

I'm thinking just ask for the towns in the districts of interest. E. g. The ones in Cryan's