Is there a list of the approved bills out there somewhere? Want to review what Sweeney will be getting to mull over.

From reading some news accounts of yesterday's vote it sounds like some of the bills were changed.

Yea what are the new laws for us Njers. Last I read was about ammo only buying face to face, no bullets that can go threw body armor, take tests for permits and IDs, and 10 rounds max? Is this all true?

No. No new laws

Thank The Lord!

Can 5.56 penetrate?

Can 5.56 penetrate?

 

From http://www.njleg.sta...1000/588_I1.HTM -- body armor bill amends N.J.S.2C:39-3:

 

or (3) any person, other than a law enforcement officer, who knowingly has in his possession handgun ammunition which (a) has a full metal jacket and an ogive with a steel penetrator tip followed by an aluminum core and is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor, or (b) after testing, the Attorney General determines poses a threat to the safety and well being of law enforcement officers because of the materials, be they metallic or nonmetallic, used in its composition or because its ogive, core or jacket are of a design, construction or formulation which makes it capable of breaching or penetrating body armor,

 

Even though .223/5.56 is primarily a rifle round there are handguns chambered in that caliber and therefore it is "handgun ammunition".

 

So if this bill becomes law your ammo would be illegal if it fits the description in (a) above

 

OR it may become illegal in the future if and when the NJ AG (arbitrarily) adds it to the banned list because they (arbitrarily) consider it a threat to public or LEO safety

 

Finally, body armor is not defined in the bill (it only lists Kevlar as an example) so they could consider a flak jacket to be body armor. Since virtually all ammunition can pierce a flak jacket the AG may arbitrarily ban ANY and ALL ammo at their discretion (without new legislation)

 

Yet another de facto gun ban to look forward to!

 

Edit: was reading an unamended version of the bill, sorry

Edited February 23, 201313 yr by H.M. Murdock

From http://www.njleg.sta...1000/588_I1.HTM -- body armor bill amends N.J.S.2C:39-3:

 

 

 

Even though .223/5.56 is primarily a rifle round there are handguns chambered in that caliber and therefore it is "handgun ammunition".

 

So your ammo is illegal if it fits the description in (a) above

 

OR it may become illegal if the NJ AG (arbitrarily) adds it to the banned list because they (arbitrarily) consider it a threat to public or LEO safety

 

Finally, body armor is not defined in the bill (it only an example) so they could consider a flak jacket to be body armor. Since virtually all ammunition can pierce a flak jacket the AG may arbitrarily ban ANY and ALL ammo.

 

Yet another de facto gun ban to look forward to!

 

they removed a lot of the language you are describing. at least thats how i read it. am i reading it wrong?

they removed a lot of the language you are describing. at least thats how i read it. am i reading it wrong?

 

Oh, I hope I F'ed up! let me go back and check

they removed a lot of the language you are describing. at least thats how i read it. am i reading it wrong?

 

You're right!

 

From http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bills/A1000/588_S1.HTM

 

COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS:

The committee removed a provision in the bill that would have prohibited handgun ammunition determined by the Attorney General to pose a threat to the safety and well being of law enforcement officers (1) because of the materials, be they metallic or nonmetallic, used in its composition, or (2) because its ogive, core or jacket are of a design, construction or formulation which makes it capable of breaching or penetrating body armor.

 

So the (a) stays and (b) is gone

 

I will strike out my original post

 

Sorry about that, didn't mean to spread FUD -- we have enough problems!