There were a couple of responses to the email group for the bluewave group. I'm pretty sure they're trolls, because no one on the anti side would know what NICS is. No one's responded to them.

 

I know Lisa right! I felt the same way! I mean come on now. Do they really think the CRIMINALS will ditch their 15 round mags? Are they going to wait for a Nics check? So they care if they are on the terror list? If you can say yes to any of these you need to run to a Dr. PLEASE get your reps to enforce the laws in place ! And allow us to carry our handguns legally so we can defend ourselves from those that don't!

 

On Feb 23, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Lisa Byasil <[email protected]> wrote:

I am sorry I could not make the trip. I started reading the bills that were going to be pushed through the Assembly and realized that they were not going to make anyone safer and were only going to hurt people like me that keep a gun for my personal safety.

 

These people should start looking at the real source of violence and stop persecuting the honest, law-abiding citizens. I watched the video of the Assembly meeting and it was a travesty.

There were a couple of responses to the email group for the bluewave group. I'm pretty sure they're trolls, because no one on the anti side would know what NICS is. No one's responded to them.

 

 

I know Lisa right! I felt the same way! I mean come on now. Do they really think the CRIMINALS will ditch their 15 round mags? Are they going to wait for a Nics check? So they care if they are on the terror list? If you can say yes to any of these you need to run to a Dr. PLEASE get your reps to enforce the laws in place ! And allow us to carry our handguns legally so we can defend ourselves from those that don't!

 

On Feb 23, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Lisa Byasil <[email protected]> wrote:

I am sorry I could not make the trip. I started reading the bills that were going to be pushed through the Assembly and realized that they were not going to make anyone safer and were only going to hurt people like me that keep a gun for my personal safety.

 

These people should start looking at the real source of violence and stop persecuting the honest, law-abiding citizens. I watched the video of the Assembly meeting and it was a travesty.

During the Trenton votes on Thursday, I heard some decent conversations between our group and the Bluewave people, so some of them may have gotten educated...Millsan could probably expand on that.

Whatever happened with the Bluewave buses? Did anyone get on one?

I was unable to make it to the bus on time to take my seat, but they kindly delayed their departure 15 minutes waiting for me.

 

As for the conversations, I had a very productive conversation with 3 blue wave people. I am confident they at least heard me. I merely put forth some facts and asked them to gather their own evidence before believing everything fed them. One of them thanked me before they left for their bus.

 

At a minimum I showed them we are not a bunch of nuts. At best, maybe I opened their eyes a bit.

 

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If that's the case, I may engage in the conversation to try to spark some thought.

On one issue, the "gun show loophole" I offered the following:

 

I will give you $500 of my own money. Go to any gun show anywhere in the country and try to buy a gun without going through a background check. If you get the gun, turn it in at a buy back and keep whatever money they give you. I assured them they would come back with my $500.

 

Another point we discussed was the 10 round limit. I explained that I am no expert and it takes me less than 2 seconds, not 20, to do a mag change. I think J0n showed them a video of 3 mag swaps in sub 3 seconds.

 

I also explained that we are on their side. No one wants gun violence. I asked them to explain how the proposals would impact crime and no one could give me an answer. This caused them pause.

 

They asked my solutions. I put forth some level of institutionalization and opportunity and quality of life changes for inner cities.

 

Another point we discussed was illegal guns. I assured them that we would stand IN FRONT of them to get stronger laws passed for straw purchasers and those who peddle illegal guns.

 

 

 

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I also asked them why were there no proposals that punished criminals or set up new laws to protect people from criminals better. This too, caused them pause.

 

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may i inquire as to what the blue wave is

Anti gunners. Blue = Dems, wave = unstoppable force

 

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Copy that

Unstoppable maybe but now we know how to delay them for 15 minutes at least

 

Great work Millsan..

 

I lack the personal skills to conduct myself as you have in these conversations.

 

This new wave of legislation reeks of ulterior motive and the charlatans that compose the majority of the Assembly do not labor to hide the truth.

 

If one articulates these straightforward arguments in a friendly debate only the most obtuse or stubborn would not pause in consideration.

 

Everyone, please post when you make an positive impression in discussions with the other side. It really boosts morale (for me at least)

I also asked them why were there no proposals that punished criminals or set up new laws to protect people from criminals better. This too, caused them pause.

 

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Very good work. I think this is an important component of what we need to do. Hey, this may be a crazy idea, but what if NJ2AS reached out to some of these anti groups and tried to have a real civil discussion (like everyone says they want) and try to dispel some of their erroneous beliefs that they get from the media?? I nominate at least Frank and millsan1 to represent our side.

 

Very good work. I think this is an important component of what we need to do. Hey, this may be a crazy idea, but what if NJ2AS reached out to some of these anti groups and tried to have a real civil discussion (like everyone says they want) and try to dispel some of their erroneous beliefs that they get from the media?? I nominate at least Frank and millsan1 to represent our side.

Great idea. Don't forget Scott Bach. Anyone close enough to these guys to suggest it and maybe smooth the process?

I would be thrilled to do this

 

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