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URGENT: STOP THE UNITED NATIONS from killing the Second Amendment and grabbing guns. The United Nations Arms Trade Treaty is threatening to leave Americans and every person who dreams of freedom around the world defenseless. That’s right – tyrants will be armed to but we are unarmed. Obama appears to be using the U.N. Treaty as a back door to gun control in the United States and we must stop him.

 

Select Here To Fax The U.S Senate: Demand They KEEP THEIR TREATY AWAY FROM OUR GUNS - DO NOT Ratify The UN 'Arms Trade Treaty'!

 

Radical delegates from 150 countries are ready to vote even without the support of the United States on the final details of a binding international treaty that would regulate the $70 billion per year global arms trade by March 28th. From the way they are running the conference it looks inevitable that a Senate vote is coming that could seal our fate for global control.

 

We need your help as Julianne Versnel our representative with the American Conservative Union spoke as an NGO, Non Government Organization to secure our gun rights as defined in the Second Amendment.

 

We obtained a schedule for one of the days at the UN Arms Trade Treaty Conference. The conference is clearly skewed toward one view point. The Control Arms Coalition got 35 minutes to make their case while the Pro Gun Lobby only had 15 minutes to state theirs. It is almost certain with this unfair setup by the UN we will see a treaty agreed upon and we will have to rely on our Senators to vote against the treaty.

 

We must make it clear TODAY to the Senate and the White House that the Second Amendment must be protected and that they must reject any and all U.N. Gun Control. Tell them to KEEP THEIR TREATY AWAY FROM OUR GUNS!

 

URGENT: STOP THE UNITED NATIONS from killing the Second Amendment and grabbing guns. The United Nations Arms Trade Treaty is threatening to leave Americans and every person who dreams of freedom around the world defenseless. That’s right – tyrants will be armed to but we are unarmed. Obama appears to be using the U.N. Treaty as a back door to gun control in the United States and we must stop him.

 

Select Here To Fax The U.S Senate: Select Here To Fax The U.S Senate: Demand They KEEP THEIR TREATY AWAY FROM OUR GUNS - DO NOT Ratify The UN 'Arms Trade Treaty'!

 

The UN General Assembly is seeking to implement the first global treaty to regulate the world's $70 billion trade for all conventional and small arms weapons -- from naval ships, tanks, attack helicopters to handguns, assault rifles and the international regulation of ammunition import and export. The Obama Administration outwardly assures us that it will not violate our Second Amendment rights yet they have dispatched Kerry behind the scenes as they are pushing anti-2nd Amendment issues at every level of government.

 

Anti-gun Secretary of State Kerry was the most anti-gun presidential nominee in United States history announced his support for the treaty. He has voted to ban guns outright, impose waiting periods on firearms buyers, financially punish gun manufacturers, and restrict the free speech of Second Amendment advocates. US Secretary of State John Kerry voiced conditional support for the treaty on Friday, saying Washington was: "steadfast in its commitment to achieve a strong and effective Arms Trade Treaty that helps address the adverse effects of the international arms trade on global peace and stability."

 

We have been down this road before with negotiations for an Arms Trade Treaty. In July of 2012 we were able to stop the last attempt at an Arms Trade Treaty. The Obama Administration said they would not pursue another ATT after the election but here we are; can you believe the Obama Administration has lied again? If an agreement on a treaty is reached and signed by Obama, our last defense is the U.S Senate. Anti Gunners will need a 2/3 super majority to ratify the treaty. We must therefore be sure to remind every member of the Senate to protect our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms from the overreaching arm of the United Nations.

 

Select Here To Fax The U.S Senate: Select Here To Fax The U.S Senate: Demand They KEEP THEIR TREATY AWAY FROM OUR GUNS - DO NOT Ratify The UN 'Arms Trade Treaty'!

 

The uncertainty begins in the discussion of small arms. Where will the regulations on our small arms start, and where will they stop? They are even trying to include ammunition regulations in the Arms Trade Treaty! Will the United Nations try to impose international licensing requirements, an international registry, or international regulations for the trade, sale, importation, and private ownership of our semi-automatic firearms?

 

ATT would give the executive branch the power to control importations of certain guns, manufacturers, and models into the U.S. It is up to the Administration's discretion of what they see as acceptable and you can be sure that Obama would abuse this power. This could not have come at a worse time; the Obama Administration has been constantly after our firearms since the election. What better way to dry up the supply than with a treaty that allows them to stop importation?

 

Firearm importation makes up 35% of the new firearm market in the U.S. It is already difficult right now to find certain firearms or ammo in America. Imagine if the supply was cut by 35%, there would be shortages across the board. All Obama would have to do if this treaty were ratified is say, any gun model that could endanger women and children and he could stop it from being imported. The last negotiations for an Arms Trade Treaty took place in July 2012, just four months before the Presidential election. Obama did not want to take a big stance for global gun control just months before his re-election but now he has made it clear he is for total gun control. He also told voters he would not be re-visiting negotiations for an Arms Trade treaty but here we are.

 

Select Here To Fax The U.S Senate: Select Here To Fax The U.S Senate: Demand They KEEP THEIR TREATY AWAY FROM OUR GUNS - DO NOT Ratify The UN 'Arms Trade Treaty'!

 

Since his re-election it has become clearer than ever what is at the top of his agenda; taking our guns away! The Obama Administration has been exploiting tragedies since the election to push gun control at the city, state, federal, and now GLOBAL level.

 

Our Senate took a stance before the Presidential election when 51 of them wrote Obama a letter saying they would not support an Arms Trade Treaty. We must let our entire U.S Senate know we do not support international gun control. They must not ratify this international treaty.

 

Sincerely Yours,

 

Alan M. Gottlieb

Chairman

Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

 

 

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Everything I've read by smart people says that any "international treaties" doesn't supersede the US Constitution.

This is old news the senate already voted to stay out of the treaty on Saturday.

 

"March 24, 2013

In the pre-dawn hours Saturday, the Senate approved a measure “to uphold Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.”

By a vote of 53-46, the Senate passed the amendment to the budget bill sponsored by Senator Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.)."

 

Here is a link to the full story http://www.infowars....s-trade-treaty/

thats a freaking too close of a margin tho, The 46 should move out of the US if they dont like it

tl;dr

 

 

Everything I've read by smart people says that any "international treaties" doesn't supersede the US Constitution.

 

Article VI of the Constitution affirms that treaties become "the supreme Law of the Land."

 

And the vote was not as close as it appeared, as ratification of treaties requires a 2/3's majority. Still pretty bad that 46 senators thought it was a good idea.

Article VI of the Constitution affirms that treaties become "the supreme Law of the Land."

 

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

 

I don't believe a treaty drafted by an international organization can be forced upon US citizens. I made bold and italicized the key part in my argument.

 

Any un treaty passed would not be under the authority of the US, therefore it wouldn't be law on US soil. If the SCOTUS somehow ruled it constitutional then it would be law.

 

Constitutional lawyers/historians have said this more eloquently but when this was a hot button issue a few months ago, that is basically how I heard it explained.

I don't believe a treaty drafted by an international organization can be forced upon US citizens. I made bold and italicized the key part in my argument.

 

You are correct, but you should have highlighted the last line as well.

 

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding".

 

If a treaty, even one "under the authority of the US, is in contrary to the US Constitution, it does not become binding.

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