I mailed to a buyer a complete upper via USPS insured. The box gets delivered empty to the purchaser. I filed the insurance claim and it was denied. They said the upper receiver, which isn't a firearm, wasn't mailable. One I thought USPS would transport firearms and secondly this bit wasn't even a firearm.

 

Now get this, they won't return the upper receiver either! No part, no insurance payment. They won't even refund the insurance premium since they delivered the empty box.

 

I'm dumbfounded by this. I don't even know where to go next.

The police? I'm pretty sure that is called....theft.

Weird, an upper just got delivered to me today via USPS.

I would of shipped UPS more trackable. Then priority mail

If you did not ship a lower receiver then you did not ship a firearm, you shipped parts. There is no restriction that I am aware of against shipping *PARTS*. In future discussions with them, do not use the word "firearm", use the word "parts".

 

Talk to the postmaster for the town where it was shipped from. If no favorable response there then police and/or lawyer.

The police? I'm pretty sure that is called....theft.

It's also called an illegal transfer if they took possession of it from its intended destination. If they want to classify it as a "firearm".

I'll call the local PO tomorrow and see. Right now I'm dealing with some numbnut in St Louis

call your local post master

You have to deal with the US Postal Inspection Service. They have a website and you can start an investigation there.

 

https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/

Maybe receiver scamming you. Why the hell would PO deliver a box with side blown out and nothing in it with out noting it

And THIS, is why I never ever ever ever (did I say ever enough?) use the postal service for anything except mailing tax returns.

Don't know how it is now, but years ago I dealt with the postal inspectors and they did very well by me. Turned out to be an ebay fraud issue. Inspectors don't have jurisdictional lines to deal with. From Jersey they were able to intercept my money order in Oregon. Got my money back a a perp got arrested.

If the police don't get involved, you can always tell them you shipped a fully-automatic M16 and that you would like it back.

Maybe receiver scamming you. Why the hell would PO deliver a box with side blown out and nothing in it with out noting it

 

I would assume they spoke with him. Maybe my bad. However the post office said the contents were unmailable, thus I think they have it according to them.

Use the postal police.

If it's "unmailable" then how did they accept it in the first place? Sounds real fishy to me, good luck and I hope you get resolution.

If it's "unmailable" then how did they accept it in the first place? Sounds real fishy to me, good luck and I hope you get resolution.

 

Post office people dont have xray vision. They can't tell whats in the box.

I mailed to a buyer a complete upper via USPS insured. The box gets delivered empty to the purchaser. I filed the insurance claim and it was denied. They said the upper receiver, which isn't a firearm, wasn't mailable. One I thought USPS would transport firearms and secondly this bit wasn't even a firearm.

 

Now get this, they won't return the upper receiver either! No part, no insurance payment. They won't even refund the insurance premium since they delivered the empty box.

 

I'm dumbfounded by this. I don't even know where to go next.

 

What are you saying?

Are you saying the USPS opened the box, removed the upper receiver, delivered an empty box and are fixing to keep it?

Are they admitting they're keeping the upper receiver?

My upper receiver came via UPS and even had a picture of a gun on the box. No issues.

All above is true. There is an actual postal polic force. And inspectors. You WILL get your item back or full reimbursement They do not fu)k around. a federal offense has been committed. Justice will be served.

received my upper via USPS no issues last week.

I've used the USPS to mail uppers before. This by no means my first time doing this. I spoke to a guy in St Loius who said I can't mail firearms, which this, isn't using USPS. I also believe that his statement was wrong and you can mail them to an FFL, which I've done in the past.

 

The USPS doesn't have x-ray vision but do randomly x-ray packages--so I was told by the guy today.

Article 12 is interesting.

 

http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/601.htm#1064962

 

What are you saying?

Are you saying the USPS opened the box, removed the upper receiver, delivered an empty box and are fixing to keep it?

Are they admitting they're keeping the upper receiver?

 

This

Article 12 is interesting.

 

http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/601.htm#1064962

 

This. There are saying its a restricted item.

Somebody stole it no doubt. But they won't cover it.

Sometimes I feel bad for going paperless with the bills and taking away from USPS's business, but it incidents like these that solidifies my decision. Sorry to hear the ordeal you're going through.

 

Also something to watch for, which I didn't know till it happened. I ordered a part which was being shipped to me via UPS. After a few days of tracking online, I was surprised that UPS transferred the pkg to USPS for final delivery. Luckily my part did come in the mail, but once it hit USPS's systems, UPS tracking ends at that point.

 

Did this happen to anyone else?

 

 

This. There are saying its a restricted item.

which means it is returned to sender. I think they are trying to pull a fast one, why else send an empty box?

No doubt someone took it. Good question why an empty box?

This. There are saying its a restricted item.

 

How can it be a restricted item? It's not a firearm, it's not a receiver, it can't readily be converted (on it's *OWN*) to a firearm.