Hi guys, quick question. Can I legally transport my wife's hand gun to the range along with mine if she is not with me?

 

Sometime she meets me there and other times i just want to use hers. I understand and follow proper transport regs- locked in trunk, ammo separate, directly from house to range. Although not required I always carry my fid and a copy of purchase paperwork but I may stop carrying those out of principle. I also know that if pulled over by LE I would never volunteer that I have firearms in trunk but my fear is being pulled over directly after the range where LE saw you exit and they ask to see everything. Thanks

If you don't have copies of your Coe how would they know its not yours. Assuming you have other ones with you that are all legal what would make hers stand out from yours? Pink cam0?

 

 

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Welcome to the forums. You will be fine. You are a legal gun owner going to the range. Make sure you have your FID with you while transporting. I doubt you're going to get pulled over, and if you do the police most likly will not even ask if you have guns, bombs, or things that will stick them in the vehicle. Drive safe, obey the local traffic laws and you will be fine.

If you don't have copies of your Coe how would they know its not yours. Assuming you have other ones with you that are all legal what would make hers stand out from yours? Pink cam0?

 

 

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Thanks. That's exactly why I am not going to carry the Coa and purchase paperwork anymore. Before it was belt and suspenders

Very interesting question. If she bought the gun with a joint credit card doesn't the law say you are an equal owner anyway? Can they over rule that part of the law with the P2P law?

Folks, I don't believe you are providing the correct information here..

 

No, you cannot LEGALLY transport a handgun that is not specifically licensed to yourself without the owner being in the car with you. That is technically "illegal possession of a hand gun". It doesnt matter if your wife is going to meet you at the range or not, for the time you are in the vehicle, it is not legal. I asked the same question a couple months back (my wife has a 38 and i was thinking of bringing it with me to the range even though she didnt want to go).

 

Joint credit card has 100% nothing to do with anything. The name on the permit is the only name that matters. If it is your wife's name on the handgun permit, and you are transporting it, and she is not with you, it is a felony.

 

Long guns are a different story because there is no permit holder.. But handguns, the name on the Permit is the ONLY person that can transport it (or they have to be with the person transporting it). Also, unless I am mistaken, there is no COE for a handgun in NJ. Those only apply to long guns..

 

unless something in the laws state something different than what I've seen (and if so, then I apologize)

Hi guys, quick question. Can I legally transport my wife's hand gun to the range along with mine if she is not with me?

 

Sometime she meets me there and other times i just want to use hers. I understand and follow proper transport regs- locked in trunk, ammo separate, directly from house to range. Although not required I always carry my fid and a copy of purchase paperwork but I may stop carrying those out of principle. I also know that if pulled over by LE I would never volunteer that I have firearms in trunk but my fear is being pulled over directly after the range where LE saw you exit and they ask to see everything. Thanks

 

Short answer: NO!

 

Although it's probably done every day by married couples, it's not legal since the gun comes back to ONLY one person. Several other threads in the archives about this very subject matter, in great detail.

 

Here's more illegal scenarios:

 

I go to the Range for a scheduled Match, grab the wrong range bag and wind-up with HER gun(s) registered to HER. Call her on the cell, and so she runs to the range with mine. Now we're both guilty, lol!

 

Same scenario only this time my 21 year old son (with FID) brings my "stuff" to the Range for me since I work at a place that doesn't allow firearms on company property....BOTH GUILTY!

 

I'm at work. 20 year old Daughter home from college brings .22 hand gun to range I bought for her to use in competitions (since Jr. High School) so she can shoot with her old team mates....BOTH GUILTY!

 

 

Although on it's face NO harm is meant, and what would be considered "normal" in some FREE STATES, here in the People's Republic CRIMES have been committed without a single person having been shot at, brandished-at, or anything else.

 

Often TRANSPORTATION questions are actually TRANSFER questions, since in the cases above the illegal TRANSFER of weapons preceded their transport....

 

Dave

Hi guys, quick question. Can I legally transport my wife's hand gun to the range along with mine if she is not with me?

 

 

 

No.

Yes I KNOW that the credit card issue does not make it legal - it was just another representation of how our laws are totally screwed up in that we have one set of laws that conflict with another set of laws.

 

Whatever happened to the concept in the law that you had to have "intent" for something to be a crime. Thus, if you grab the wrong bag by mistake, how is that intent? We have gotten crazy with laws that do nothing but make criminals out of average citizens.

oh, i agree that the laws are stupid.. no argument there

What happens when transporting a non NJ registered pistol to the range with a valid NJ FID?

that i dont know.. if they have no way of tracking it in their system, then i suppose that would be legal because they cant disprove the legality.. but if its registered in NJ (as all handguns purchased in NJ are i believe), then they could technically look it up and find out who the registered owner is.. and if its not you, and that person is not with you during the transport, boom - felony

 

at least thats my understandeing

that i dont know.. if they have no way of tracking it in their system, then i suppose that would be legal because they cant disprove the legality.. but if its registered in NJ (as all handguns purchased in NJ are i believe), then they could technically look it up and find out who the registered owner is.. and if its not you, and that person is not with you during the transport, boom - felony

 

at least thats my understandeing

 

Are they all registered in NJ? What about if you own one from before the laws went into effect. What about if you bought your handguns when you lived in a free state and then moved to NJ?

i dont know the answer to those questions.. my answer was only for those registered in NJ.. I was assuming that the OP's wife's gun is registered in NJ.. However, since others have also commented that it is not legal, (and they probably have more knowledge than I do), I would rather be safe than sorry (if it was me)

NJ does NOT yet have mandatory registration:

 

So my Dad's .45 that he brought home from the Great War is perfectly legal to be transported by HIM, or IF HE WILLED IT TO ME (and he's DEAD), by ME!

 

As crazy as this sounds, you're completely legal taking your dead Wife's hand gun to the range, IF SHE WILLED IT TO YOU! Or just prop-up the body in the front seat and drive to the range.....

What happens when transporting a non NJ registered pistol to the range with a valid NJ FID?

 

Absolutely Nuthin'! Just keep it unloaded and out out access (trunk, in the back of the SUV, etc.).

Can somebody point me to the law that says you can't carry a gun purchased by someone else. I just did a search and found nothing.

You can't carry any gun. Please be more specific if you meant something else.

Can somebody point me to the law that says you can't carry a gun purchased by someone else. I just did a search and found nothing.

 

The law defines the transfer of a handgun as any time it changes hands. Literally, you grab it, it's now a transfer.

It then defines what a permanent transfer is and what a temporary transfer is.

 

Permanent transfers involve paperwork unless it takes place as part of a will.

Temporary transfers are essentially only allowed at firing ranges where the owner of record is supervising the use of the firearm.

Everything else is illegal.

 

This means if someone comes to your house and you hand them your firearm, you've both committed an indictable offense. Silly, yes, but it's the way the law is in NJ.

Slightly off topic. What would happen if you left your house and went to the range and then on the way home you stopped to pick up a few things at the grocery store. Is this illegal? What would the charges be?

Is it really only back and forth from home to the range only? I am guessing because you have to leave your gun/guns unattended in the car while shopping and they could possibly be stolen or used in public.

 

 

The law defines the transfer of a handgun as any time it changes hands. Literally, you grab it, it's now a transfer.

It then defines what a permanent transfer is and what a temporary transfer is.

 

Permanent transfers involve paperwork unless it takes place as part of a will.

Temporary transfers are essentially only allowed at firing ranges where the owner of record is supervising the use of the firearm.

Everything else is illegal.

 

This. It's a temporary transfer, which states the owner must be present. If it was purchased with YOUR pistol permit it's yours; With HER permit it is her gun.

Slightly off topic. What would happen if you left your house and went to the range and then on the way home you stopped to pick up a few things at the grocery store. Is this illegal? What would the charges be?

Is it really only back and forth from home to the range only? I am guessing because you have to leave your gun/guns unattended in the car while shopping and they could possibly be stolen or used in public.

 

"in the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances."