Back to scope decisions. Going on a semi .308.

I like the mid-range scopes.

 

I have the choice between 2:

 

Lightly Used Vortex Razor 5-20 x 50, 10 mil turrets, EBR-2B reticle, with rings ($1675)

 

vs

 

New Nightforce ATACR 5-25 x 56, Mil-R reticle ($2100)

 

Razor is 35.2oz, and FFP

 

NF is 38oz, and SFP

 

I had the Vortex, but never had a NF.

Anyone have any experience with both. No set purpose for the rifle. Just want to put decent glass on a badass rifle.

If the NF is worth the xtra coin, Ill take that 1.

 

Thanks

Have you looked at US Optics at all. Not sure if you are only looking at them or are open to other brands but i use USO on all my rifles and love them. Customer service is great with them also. They are built like a rock. I had a custom 3.2x17 built for my GAP and it took about 4 months to build. Cost about 2300 to my door with an optional ARD. If you want to look at one of mine your more than welcome to come back over one day.

Have you looked at US Optics at all. Not sure if you are only looking at them or are open to other brands but i use USO on all my rifles and love them. Customer service is great with them also. They are built like a rock. I had a custom 3.2x17 built for my GAP and it took about 4 months to build. Cost about 2300 to my door with an optional ARD. If you want to look at one of mine your more than welcome to come back over one day.

 

USO 1-8 I can get for $1750..But not really into that 1.

I havent really check into USO, just NF, S&B, and Vortex.

I have the $3.5K to spend on a scope, but I really dont need one for my needs.

Thanks for the input and maybe I can come check it out. Im in TR all the time

Wonder how the ATACR glass compares to the USO?

Yea anytime just let me know. Personally i would put the scopes in order of S&B, USO, NF, and then Vortex. This is just my personal preference but with USO new glass I think they are going to give S&B a run pretty soon. I also think 3.2x17 is great for the 308. Its perfect from 100 to 800 yards for me. The illumination of the rectile is pretty cool also. My newest scope has the illumination in green and i think it adds to the cool factor lol. I never really get to shoot in low light no light but it is a cool feature. BDOMAR is going to take me to CJRPC one day soon hopefully if i get some time away from work when i have time to shoot. When we set a date i will see if its ok if you come if you wanna try out the USO scope. I think you will really like them.

Yea anytime just let me know. Personally i would put the scopes in order of S&B, USO, NF, and then Vortex. This is just my personal preference but with USO new glass I think they are going to give S&B a run pretty soon. I also think 3.2x17 is great for the 308. Its perfect from 100 to 800 yards for me. The illumination of the rectile is pretty cool also. My newest scope has the illumination in green and i think it adds to the cool factor lol. I never really get to shoot in low light no light but it is a cool feature. BDOMAR is going to take me to CJRPC one day soon hopefully if i get some time away from work when i have time to shoot. When we set a date i will see if its ok if you come if you wanna try out the USO scope. I think you will really like them.

 

Ill come with you guys!

They also give you the option of FFP or SFP if you custom order. If you have a personal preference. If you buy a stock model it will be FFP. They also offer a EREK knob that i think is pretty cool. There are a few youtube videos about it.

I also see your order of scopes, but many of these companies are putting out good glass for the money. Just keep upgrading and improving.

I think killing S&B on the price.

Weird that the NXS glass was awesome a couple of months ago, but now that the ATACR came out, seems like you can get a nice deal on a used NXS.

Seems like like new scopes are making guys put up their scopes for sale at a big discount now to get the newer ones.

They also give you the option of FFP or SFP if you custom order. If you have a personal preference. If you buy a stock model it will be FFP. They also offer a EREK knob that i think is pretty cool. There are a few youtube videos about it.

I need to get outside today, dont put the youtube shit in my head! LOL

I need to get outside today, dont put the youtube shit in my head! LOL

HAHA i hear ya.

A good place to get a deal on quality glass is on snipers hide. Thats where i bought my first NF and USO from. Get them both for a steal

Dont forget Steiner. Excellent scope for the money!

 

As usual, and Im sure Im a broken record, glass is full of compromises.

 

USO glass is hit or miss. Some are very good, others not so much.

 

S&B, Hensoldt, Khales, Steiner, March, USO, NF, Leupold(the new ones out of the new LE-Mil manufacturing facility), all good scopes with pros and cons.

 

With that being said, there are a couple things I cling to in a scope. I only use FFP scopes and all but my 1.5-6 are Mil/Mil. So given your two choices the ATACR would be knocked out for being SFP. Didnt know they made this scope in SFP.

Dont forget Steiner. Excellent scope for the money!

 

As usual, and Im sure Im a broken record, glass is full of compromises.

 

USO glass is hit or miss. Some are very good, others not so much.

 

S&B, Hensoldt, Khales, Steiner, March, USO, NF, Leupold(the new ones out of the new LE-Mil manufacturing facility), all good scopes with pros and cons.

 

With that being said, there are a couple things I cling to in a scope. I only use FFP scopes and all but my 1.5-6 are Mil/Mil. So given your two choices the ATACR would be knocked out for being SFP. Didnt know they made this scope in SFP.

 

Razor ahead by 1

The new NF "Beast" is FFP.

 

http://nightforceoptics.com/beast/

What distances will you be shooting? Will you be ranging multiple targets are various distances where a FFP scope will really shine or shooting at known distance targets shooting for groups where a Sfp scope would serve you well?

Although ranging on any power is a big benefit of the FFP, holdovers and movers are another. Maybe its my limited capacity or maybe Im just excitable and afraid Ill forget but I just dont want to have to remeber to half values and such depending on what mag your on on a SFP scope

Ill come with you guys!

 

You and Zombie are welcome anytime you want to check the place out. Let me know, I have a flexible schedule.

 

As far as the glass goes - you all are far more knowledgeable than I, I thought that the $600 Leupold scope I recently got was the sh*t lol.

The new NF "Beast" is FFP.

 

http://nightforceoptics.com/beast/

 

Rather a S&B!

What distances will you be shooting? Will you be ranging multiple targets are various distances where a FFP scope will really shine or shooting at known distance targets shooting for groups where a Sfp scope would serve you well?

Under 100 yards in NJ, over 300 yards in PA

I love my NF, but I am pretty sure I will be in the market for a S&B for a .308.

 

By the time you setup a USO with the same features and reticle you are close to the same price in a 5-25 type scope. The USO 3.7-17 is cheaper than the S&B 3-20 and 4-16.

 

The class is reviewed as being close, but S&B still wins out.

 

Don't forget Premier Reticle both in the 3-15 and 5-25. A lot of people love the Gen2 XR reticle.

 

Also, between the NF ATACR and Razor, you are looking at SFP and FFP scopes, very different. You need to make the choise in which one you want. Otherwise its hard to give an opinion as to which one is beter for you.

 

My NF is SFP, but I see the benefit of FFP and will be changing my 2.5-10x32 to a 3-15F1 soon.

I went with the Razor again. I wanted FFP.

Shipping today

Under 100 yards in NJ, over 300 yards in PA

 

I would get a gently used Premier 3-15x light tactical w/ the gen2 XR reticle after all is said and done. Should run you about $2K. Premier glass is the same as S&B from what I have heard.

 

I never had a Vortex but do have Nightforce. NF glass is nice but the German glass will give you more clarity. I would take a 15x German scope over a 25x Japanese scope b/c of the clarity. Less magnification but cleaner, brighter sight picture.

I would get a gently used Premier 3-15x light tactical w/ the gen2 XR reticle after all is said and done. Should run you about $2K. Premier glass is the same as S&B from what I have heard.

 

I never had a Vortex but do have Nightforce. NF glass is nice but the German glass will give you more clarity. I would take a 15x German scope over a 25x Japanese scope b/c of the clarity. Less magnification but cleaner, brighter sight picture.

 

I got a nice deal on it, so def not gonna lose money on it.

If I hate it, Ill sell it.

I got a nice deal on it, so def not gonna lose money on it.

If I hate it, Ill sell it.

 

I hear you. Good glass has high resale value. I have heard good things about Vortex. In fact I am waiting on the new Vortex 2.5-10x to come in from a backorder. Should be in a month or less. Thats what I will be using on my JP rifles Ctr-02. If I like it alot then I will put one onto my JP rilfes LRP-07 in 308.

I have a big giant axe to grind with permier. Aside from that, the company always being on the brink of closing its doors always has me concerned about future support, which is why I dumped my PR glass. As I have said, glass is a deep deep rabbit hole. It can depend on what you place your key values on. Clarity is great, but useless if other areas of the scope are lacking. IOR comes to mind here. Point is that there are a LOT of other things to consider.

 

Color representation

Chromatic aberration

Tracking

Internals

Exit pupil

Eye box

light transmission

Eye relief

Durability

Size

Weight

Tube diameter

total available travel

reticle

movement per rev on the dials

 

Im sure Im missing a few. But when your dropping this much coin on glass, its important, in my view, to make sure you are making the right choice. The biggest problem is that there is essentially no where to go to sit down and look at several high end scopes

Bullseye, was that the PST 2.5-10? FFP or SFP?