I've been looking throught the forum for previous threads that answer my NICS question, and I get the fact that I must wait >30 days to buy a second gun. The one thing I haven't found yet is what day is considered to be the purchase date.

 

In my case, despite my desire to order/buy locally, I could not find either of the two guns I wanted in stock at any dealer. When I went to the nearest dealer, Jim Flynn, he told me that he has a standing order in on each of them, but if I found one available online, to go ahead and buy it for shipping to him on his FFL. That is what I did and gun #1 arrived at his shop two weeks ago so I went down there with my NICS paperwork and am waiting for the call now.

So the question is have I bought the gun yet? It was paid for before shipping. Is that the purchase date? Is it the day the NICS was sent in? Is it the day I pay Jim the transfer fee and take posession? Or,is it some mystery date somewhere else in the process?

You paid for the gun and the ffl is the proxy owner until your nics clears and accept transfer. Date of purchase and date of transfer these days are entirely different things.

 

Edit for clarity.. OGAM pertains to date of transfer

It has been covered many times

It is the date that you acquire the handgun. The date on the permit's upper right.

 

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The day you buy it is the day you actually hand over the P2P to the store and walk out with you gun.

Okay, the date on the permit's upper right I can understand. Thanks

The store has had my p2p since they sent the NICS in, Howard so I don't think that's it. (Wish it was though)

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Okay, the date on the permit's upper right I can understand. Thanks

The store has had my p2p since they sent the NICS in, Howard so I don't think that's it. (Wish it was though)

 

 

The store should not have your P2P until after the NICS are approved. That is when you go in and they put the approval on the form and the gun serial number and hand it to you. There is no reason for them to have the permit till the nics is done.

The store should not have hold on to your P2P until after while the NICS are approved. That is It will be ready for you when you go in and they put the approval on the form and the gun serial number and hand it to you. There is no reason for them to have you to keep the permit till the nics is done.

Fixed it.

 

ETA: Today, a customer from whom I took a deposit for a pistol, called and said that he lost his permit.  Now he has to reapply for more permits.  If he gave it to me with his deposit, it would be safe and secure with the pistol.

My LGS all take my money and pistol permits the day i actually go in the first time and say i want that and then they charge me and fax the NICS... I do all the paper work that same day..i feel that is best... In nj there is too much "assumed" law ... Some places say its 30 days from when you fax the nics others say 30 from approval... No one really knows... Because even if a shop talks to the state police one officer will say one thing and another will say something else ... There are no laws for this situation ...

Fixed it.

 

ETA: Today, a customer from whom I took a deposit for a pistol, called and said that he lost his permit.  Now he has to reapply for more permits.  If he gave it to me with his deposit, it would be safe and secure with the pistol.

No you badly broke it.  Many (most, all, ???) stores will sell you a handgun without a permit and hold it until you get the permit.  The permit is only needed to remove the gun from the store.  Why would you want to have to miss getting a gun because you don't have the permit in hand.  Many many people buy guns everyday while waiting for their permits to come in.  There is no reason to hand it over before the nics comes back.  What do you do when the store loses your permit -- not their problem, its yours.

No you badly broke it.  Many (most, all, ???) stores will sell you a handgun without a permit and hold it until you get the permit.  The permit is only needed to remove the gun from the store.  Why would you want to have to miss getting a gun because you don't have the permit in hand.  Many many people buy guns everyday while waiting for their permits to come in.  There is no reason to hand it over before the nics comes back.  What do you do when the store loses your permit -- not their problem, its yours.

Yes.  If you do not have a permit, one can not be given to the dealer. 

 

But, if one has a permit, the dealer should take it.  You say, "Why would you want to have to miss getting a gun because you don't have the permit in hand."  This pushes the transaction back another 30 days with the dealer that you agreed to purchase.  Not really fare to the dealer.  Besides, if a NICS check is done, how would you comply with the OGAM if you bought another F2F? 

 

The customer is more likely to lose the permit than the store.  They just stick it in the box with the handgun or in the 4473.

Yes.  If you do not have a permit, one can not be given to the dealer. 

 

But, if one has a permit, the dealer should take it.  You say, "Why would you want to have to miss getting a gun because you don't have the permit in hand."  This pushes the transaction back another 30 days with the dealer that you agreed to purchase.  Not really fare to the dealer.  Besides, if a NICS check is done, how would you comply with the OGAM if you bought another F2F? 

 

The customer is more likely to lose the permit than the store.  They just stick it in the box with the handgun or in the 4473.

 

This might be the way you do business, but it makes no sense and it does not push anything back.  I went into my LGS one Saturday morning and found a great deal on a weapon they had in stock.  I was not planning to buy anything then, but if I did not it would have been gone quickly.  Had I needed to produce a permit I would have missed out on this gun.  I bought it on the spot and they put in my Nics check.  When it came back 8 days later (half the time of right now) I went in with my permit and walked out with the gun - no additional 30 days.  I have no clue what you are talking about when you say it will push anything back by 30 days, that is not true.

 

I guess if you are the type person that can't keep track of your papers it is best to put it in someone else's hands as quickly as possible.  In my case I know I take better care of things that are important to me than any third party.  As for complying with OGAM, that has nothing to do with permits.  You cannot have the nics run for two handguns in less than 30 days.  Further turning in a permit when you place an order does nothing, I have several and could go into three different stores today and buy three guns and turn in three permits.  It is up to me to not have the nics run more frequently than every 31 days and not pick up the various weapons as required by the law.