Video of cell phone thief shows how a man can overpower a woman, take her phone and try to escape by jum......
http://www.myfoxny.com/story/22296657/on-camera-thief-grabs-womans-cell-phone-gets-hit-by-bus

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"Luckily he only suffered minor injuries"

 

Damn.

I wish the justice system worked that fast!

This is the problem with society today. I see two guys standing there watching and never move to help the lady.

This is the problem with society today. I see two guys standing there watching and never move to help the lady.

that definitely is a huge problem today. People are afraid to help others. I am.glad that guy got what he deserved.

This is the problem with society today. I see two guys standing there watching and never move to help the lady.

Exactly. One of them does walk over after the douche gets hit by the bus, but just for a better look.

Fear to become involved may be part of the problem but I think as a society we've grown accustomed to being spectators. We observe too much video on TV and over the Internet; News, YouTube, Movies, etc... After a time we become conditioned to disassociate ourselves from what we are seeing. We watch and wait for something or someone to intervene. We watch in sort of disbelief and wait for the hero to enter and save the day like we're watching a movie. Also when other people are present we watch in anticipation that one of them are going to do something. As a society we've become somewhat dysfunctional in this regard.

Karma is a beeeeyatch!! Success!!

 

I wonder if the cellphone is ok

The only official stance I have ever heard from any LEO is that if you are confronted, immediately comply and give away whatever is wanted.

 

As long as that is the prevailing advice in our society, a life of crime looks like a pretty good living.

The only official stance I have ever heard from any LEO is that if you are confronted, immediately comply and give away whatever is wanted.

 

As long as that is the prevailing advice in our society, a life of crime looks like a pretty good living.

Nicely put!!!

And f you try to assist by let's say, punching the thief in the face, later on he slaps you with a lawsuit and wins...

 

I modified your post to embed the video for you.

This is the problem with society today. I see two guys standing there watching and never move to help the lady.

 

 

Most people walk around in Condition White totally oblivious to their surrondings. That being the case it usually takes a few seconds for them to understand what's going on.

 

If the bystanders were a trained protection detail they failed miserably. Being bystanders their behavior is understandable.

 

 

The only official stance I have ever heard from any LEO is that if you are confronted, immediately comply and give away whatever is wanted.

 

As long as that is the prevailing advice in our society, a life of crime looks like a pretty good living.

To resist all the time sounds macho but if you are confronted by a BG with his gun out already pointed at you compliance sounds like a good idea even if you are armed. Unless you have some master plan to divert his attention and the means to fight back you are willing to bet your life on compliance may not be a bad idea. You sure as hell don't want the BG to find out your armed while your gun is in your holster.

And f you try to assist by let's say, punching the thief in the face, later on he slaps you with a lawsuit and wins...

 

If that's your concern never arm yourself and stay home.

 

Can you cite an example of what you relate happening?

And f you try to assist by let's say, punching the thief in the face, later on he slaps you with a lawsuit and wins...

 

Personally..that sounds like an excuse and a copout. Even before I was a cop there were times I got involved because it was right. The last thing I thought about was getting sued by a perp.

To resist all the time sounds macho but if you are confronted by a BG with his gun out already pointed at you compliance sounds like a good idea even if you are armed. Unless you have some master plan to divert his attention and the means to fight back you are willing to bet your life on compliance may not be a bad idea. You sure as hell don't want the BG to find out your armed while your gun is in your holster.

 

If a bad actor sticks a gun in my face, my actions will probably be dictated by the presumption that I am dead anyway.

I meant my comment as what people must be thinking about when they stand there and do nothing. Personally, I would almost see it as someone's responsibility to assist someone else who is in need, regardless of the situation. I'm one of those guys that stop on the side of the road if I see a disabled vehicle with someone looking under the hood and ask if they need help.

 

This thread is somewhat related with a good article to read - http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/55889-are-you-a-sheep-or-a-sheepdog/

"Luckily, he only suffered minor injuries."

Luckily? Really? Might as well have said "Luckily, this man who was in the act of committing a crime didn't receive the extent of universal justice in the form of corporeal punishment that he had coming to him."

Fear to become involved may be part of the problem but I think as a society we've grown accustomed to being spectators. We observe too much video on TV and over the Internet; News, YouTube, Movies, etc... After a time we become conditioned to disassociate ourselves from what we are seeing. We watch and wait for something or someone to intervene. We watch in sort of disbelief and wait for the hero to enter and save the day like we're watching a movie. Also when other people are present we watch in anticipation that one of them are going to do something. As a society we've become somewhat dysfunctional in this regard.

 

 

Really, you think that is it and it has nothing to do with lawyers? If TV has a part to play it is by possibly overemphasizing your ability to be sued. Realistically, I do something to help, lots of places I'm getting arrested too, then possibly sued later. He starts beating the crap out of the lady, maybe I don't worry about that. He tries to snatch her cell phone? Why would I risk that for somewhere between $0 and $200 worth of someone else's property?

 

This is what happens when they try to get rid of the good old punch in the face and replace it with lawyers and bureaucracy. 

i'd be more worried about breaking some unnecessary force law that getting sued.

 

i'd still try to stop the bastard either way. i mean come on, the one dude is walking up and ends up right behind the guy..

If a bad actor sticks a gun in my face, my actions will probably be dictated by the presumption that I am dead anyway.

okay

Really, you think that is it and it has nothing to do with lawyers? If TV has a part to play it is by possibly overemphasizing your ability to be sued. Realistically, I do something to help, lots of places I'm getting arrested too, then possibly sued later. He starts beating the crap out of the lady, maybe I don't worry about that. He tries to snatch her cell phone? Why would I risk that for somewhere between $0 and $200 worth of someone else's property?

 

This is what happens when they try to get rid of the good old punch in the face and replace it with lawyers and bureaucracy. 

 

 I don't think that a persons first response or concern when witnessing a spontaneous event is about being sued. The speed in which most accidents and criminal acts usually occur doesn't leave enough time to ponder the legal ramifications of getting involved.

 

You could argue that some people are preconditioned to not get involved because they fear they will be sued. And it is true that people are going to do what they are trained or "conditioned" to do. If you are conditioned to observe then that's what you will do whether or not you will be sued. If you are conditioned to react and thereby intervene then that's what you will do also.

 

Our technology and constant media saturation is conditioning us to be observers and not participants. I think society as a whole is more influenced by constant media bombardment 24/7 than it is lawsuits. When people see something actually happening in front of them it is as if they are watching it on TV. I'm sure you must have heard victims or witnesses say the situation felt surreal or like a movie. Ever been to lunch with a bunch of friends or relatives and nobody is talking... instead they're all on their cellphones? People are becoming disengaged with personal interaction. Lawyers have always been around, but current technology has not.