So got my first handgun (GP100 in .327) about a week ago and am very happy with it,  I also want to get a semi-automatic in the near future (6-12 months). 

 

I'm looking at the "Handgun Purchase Permit" form (Same as the Application for FID) and here is my question....do I need to provide two references again?  Just seems idiotic.  I have my FID and have had two personal references vouch for my character/background.  Do they send out paperwork to references again that needs to be completed and returned to the PD?  

 

I was (perhaps naively) under the impression that once you had your FID all you needed was to complete a shorter form saying, "Hey I want to purchase another handgun"....is it going to be the same process all over again with all the same paperwork and me chasing references to see if they received/returned paperwork?

 

Thanks in advance for you advice and insight.

yes same process every time except fingerprinting. Although I hear some towns have you fingerprint again after 6 months. 

Yet another item to add to my long list of "Why I hate NJ"......This is stupid.  I'm def not using one of my prior references.  It was a hassle calling him every week to see if he received the paperwork and then following up with the PD and telling them...."Hey, it's me again.  My reference still hasn't received their paperwork."  Week, after week for 3 months.

 

Long story short, 1 reference received their ppwk right away and 2nd reference it took me follwing up for 3 months for them to receive it.  PD was sending to wrong address ......and wan't returning my calls or emails.  Finally a 2nd officer was assigned and once I explained to him what was going on he simply called my 2nd reference and was done in a matter of days.

 

I guess the logic is to see if a person's situation in life has changed.  Maybe they went through a divorce and became a raging alcoholic or something.....still, what a waste of time.

 

I wonder where NJ ranks on the "most restrictive gun laws" list as far as other states go? 

A word of advice for references. I told my two, who were my wife's best friends and always home, that a call or letter was coming and to please return ASAP. I even gave them an addressed return envelope with a stamp on it to make it easier on them. The pain in the ass for me was my employment verification and return letter. It delayed me 3 weeks because they beat around the bush retuning it. If it was not for the woman taking care of my paperwork calling them and faxing the letter, I may still be waiting. lol

I was told that starting last month my town will no longer be contacting employers for FID's or purchase permits but you will still need to write it on the application. 

 

I wonder where NJ ranks on the "most restrictive gun laws" list as far as other states go? 

I am pretty sure we are second in the country just behind Connecticut. 

Have you read the NY SAFE Act?

 

I am pretty sure we are second in the country just behind Connecticut. 

Have you read the NY SAFE Act?

 Oh boy. You got me there. 

Great so 3rd worse.....man, I miss living in Texas. 

I've heard HI was the worst.  No idea what the laws are there, but it moves NJ to #4

NY, CA, MD, CT, NJ, HI all suck..  there are others that arent much better like MA, CO, etc..

 Just seems idiotic.  

 

Oh... you're new here.

....is it going to be the same process all over again with all the same paperwork and me chasing references to see if they received/returned paperwork?

 

Thanks in advance for you advice and insight.

 

As has been pointed out, yes the process is the same, usually with the exception of fingerprinting. However, in leiu of fingerprinting your PD may want you to complete the yellow form, SBI-212A (non-criminal background check) and pay $18 with a USPS MO made out to NJSP SBI. That form is not available on line and must be obtained at your PD.

 

You should use the same references that you used for your FPID application. Since it is fairly recent they may not contact them again.

 

Good luck.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

Oh... you're new here.

That's just too funny!

Great so 3rd worse.....man, I miss living in Texas. 

Me, too! 

I am pretty sure we are second in the country just behind Connecticut. 

 

You might be surprised to learn that despite its recent flirtation with insanity, and the fact that Ct. is by law a "may issue" state with respect to concealed carry (on paper just like NJ), in actual practice almost nobody is turned down for a carry permit. So despite magazine limits and other nonsense, 95% of the things that can get you three years in prison in our state have no legal consequence in Connecticut -- provided, of course, that you go through the process.

 

I learned just last week that the same is true, more or less, in most upstate (non-New York City) New York counties. Getting CC up there takes about six months. There are residence and training requirements, and a lot of hoops to jump through, but almost anyone can get one. Some counties confer a restricted carry license (hunting, fishing) that is easily upgraded; others issue unrestricted, i.e. Pennsylvania-type licenses. 

 

NJ, DC, and HI will soon be the only states that are essentially non-issue. Not sure about California.

 

It's ironic, sad, pathetic, that when most Americans talk about 2nd Amendment rights they mean a whole universe of things that are completely foreign in NJ. Here I'd be happy with being able to make an "unreasonable" trip to the bathroom on my way to the range, or to refill my thermos.

Does the yellow form have to be paid with a money order for the $18? I feel like I'm going to go to my PD to fill out paperwork, only to be told "ok, now take this somewhere else and get a money order, then bring it all back here..."

I was (perhaps naively) under the impression that once you had your FID all you needed was to complete a shorter form saying, "Hey I want to purchase another handgun"....is it going to be the same process all over again with all the same paperwork and me chasing references to see if they received/returned paperwork?

 

Thanks in advance for you advice and insight.

Yep, unfortunately it's the same paperwork, however, if your FID is less than a year old, you don't have to go through the whole process again (e.g. ID's, fingerprinting, references, etc.). In New Jersey you are allowed to obtained 3 purchase permits, that are 90 days. I did that the last time, and purchased my guns. If you pass the 90 days without using the permit, you can return it for a replacement with no hassles. After a year, you'll need to get a money order for $18.00 for a background check.

 

RR

Yep, unfortunately it's the same paperwork, however, if your FID is less than a year old, you don't have to go through the whole process again (e.g. ID's, fingerprinting, references, etc.). In New Jersey you are allowed to obtained 3 purchase permits, that are 90 days. I did that the last time, and purchased my guns. If you pass the 90 days without using the permit, you can return it for a replacement with no hassles. After a year, you'll need to get a money order for $18.00 for a background check.

 

RR

 

This may be relevant to your particular PD, but is not uniform throughout the state. By law, references must be submitted everytime - it is part of the STS-033 (the application). If the CLEO desires, he can require fingerprints each time. Extension of P2P's beyond the original 90 days from date of issue (to 180 days from date of issue) is entirely at the CLEO's discretion. Once you have been fingerprinted the $18 non-criminal background check can be required anytime you apply for a P2P - not just after a year.

 

This is the way misinformation is spread. A person takes their experience and assumes that is the way it is statewide. Since the application process is in the hands of the local constabulary, and there are over 500 municipalities in NJ, there are many ways the loosely written firearms laws can be applied - let alone those PD's that think they can (and do) make up their own rules.

 

Please don't assume that what you went through is correct and what everyone goes through. Read the law and be better informed.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

And my 2 new permits are in.  That was pretty quick.  Have to say the 2nd officer they assigned in my town is efficient and professional.  Now to start really narrowing down what to get....

And my 2 new permits are in.  That was pretty quick.  Have to say the 2nd officer they assigned in my town is efficient and professional.  Now to start really narrowing down what to get....

Hold on a sec...back on or close to June 21 when you put up this original thread you submitted your paperwork for another P2P and you got it yesterday!!!!!???????????

 

That's less than 2 months that you got it in. You are one lucky SOB. What town you live in?

 

I am almost at 3 months for my FID and 2 x P2P's. Pissing me off. I'm ready to email the Mayor and Chief of Police again.

Yeah, it was pretty (okay, okay....very) quick.  You can see my post about my initial application for my FID.  My initial application took much longer.  They added an officer to "help" the one officer they had assigned to FID and Pistol Permits.  The officer they added is much quicker and easier to deal/communicate with.

NY, CA, MD, CT, NJ, HI all suck..  there are others that arent much better like MA, CO, etc..

 

You can get concealed carry in NY (except NYC). It takes some doing, and time, and training, but you can get it. The northern Cal. counties also issue concealed carry permits, as do the western Mass. counties. And despite its post-Newtown spasms Connecticut remains essentially a "shall issue" state. 

 

Not sure about Maryland. I believe they have a requirement that's similar to NJ's, but somewhat less restrictive.

 

Hawaii is, I believe, similar to NJ.