Anyone here that owns one? Any opinions. They look rock solid.

I have no direct experience. Looking at their website they seem extremely overpriced and gimmicky.

 

Anecdotally, sources that I trust implicitly who have had trigger time on a very small sampling report that they are overpriced hobby/boutique guns with fancy millwork and paint.

 

With so many quality, reliable, affordable rifles out there that are built built by reputable and well known manufacturers - companies like BCM, Colt, DD, LMT, Noveske, LaRue - why buy an unknown?

 

Out of curiosity, what about them gives you the idea that they are "rock solid"?

Yikes, they seem dumb expensive. 

 

eta: I'd also like some more info on the specs.  I have to assume for that kinda money they are including a nickel boron m16 bolt carrier, mpi bolt, m4 ramps etc etc.. Would just like to know before getting a 2-3k rifle to my door. 

I would take a noveske or LMT over any of that if i felt inclined to price match but you can get a dd, bcm or colt for way cheaper...

 

Honestly, those rifles stick out a little to much, and just scream LOOK AT ME!! Everything from the finish to the barrel fluting to the flash supressor. I don't see anything really advertised as match quality either.. which is really important when spending almost 3k on a precision rifle... if your spending over 2k, you want your moeny to either get you a nice precision match grade rifle, OR a battle proven rifle... you wandering out of the hobby market at that point...

 

I also don't see any rifles with barrels under 18", dunno if that's what your looking for...

I have no direct experience. Looking at their website they seem extremely overpriced and gimmicky.

 

Anecdotally, sources that I trust implicitly who have had trigger time on a very small sampling report that they are overpriced hobby/boutique guns with fancy millwork and paint.

 

With so many quality, reliable, affordable rifles out there that are built built by reputable and well known manufacturers - companies like BCM, Colt, DD, LMT, Noveske, LaRue - why buy an unknown?

 

Out of curiosity, what about them gives you the idea that they are "rock solid"?

I've heard mixed reviews about BRO's complete guns.  The bare receivers are high quality though pricey.  They seem more Noveske-ish than BCM/Colt/DD/LMT as their marketing is similar (lifestyle branding) whereas the others are very much of work/duty guns.  

I have read an article on their rifles and they did get a good review. I think it was in AR magazine or some other one I cannot remember. They are trying to bill themselves as precision/match grade rifles. I did find a few with 16'in barrels and they look nice but like everyone else has said above they seem to be way overpriced and you can get a much better rifles for less.

 

According to their website they are into outlaw 3gun competitions, I don't know what outlaw 3 gun is but they are into it.

 

I looked at their rails and even they are way overpriced $259 for a 9in modular rail.

I have read an article on their rifles and they did get a good review. I think it was in AR magazine or some other one I cannot remember.

When is the last time you saw any gun get a lukewarm reception let alone a bad review in a gun rag.

 

Gun magazines are in the $$ making business. If they are honest and point out all the flaws in a companies product they will quickly lose their support and business. Pretty soon you have a gun magazine that is losing money or going out of business. I put zero faith in gun mag reviews.

 

I rely in first hand experience or the word of those I trust with the experience and background to make objective and subjective observations whenever possible.

When is the last time you saw any gun get a lukewarm reception let alone a bad review in a gun rag.

 

Gun magazines are in the $$ making business. If they are honest and point out all the flaws in a companies product they will quickly lose their support and business. Pretty soon you have a gun magazine that is losing money or going out of business. I put zero faith in gun mag reviews.

 

I rely in first hand experience or the word of those I trust with the experience and background to make objective and subjective observations whenever possible.

Spot on.

 

I like to read some gun mags just to see what's new and shiny, but like High Exposure, I put zero trust in anything they say.

 

I buy AR's based on my experiences with what works, from companies with proven track records, such as BCM, Colt, DD, LMT, ect. I tend to stay away from the 'AR parts builder' guns that seem to pop up everywhere, although I do have a 20" Govt upper from PSA that I'm pretty happy with.

 

 

Jeff

With so many quality, reliable, affordable rifles out there that are built built by reputable and well known manufacturers - companies like BCM, Colt, DD, LMT, Noveske, LaRue - why buy an unknown?

 

 

 

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This is true...stick with quality.

Talk about overpriced polished turds...

If your gonna spend $2-3K on a complete rifle then a Noveske or Larue as mentioned above will be in that price range. Good luck finding one with out waiting 6+ months. I would also add KAC to that list too.

But if not doing a precision rifle go with the others mentioned. Well under $2k for the rifle until you add your accessories and optics.

Thanks for all the replies. Happy 4th everyone!

If no one ever took a chance on some lesser known company all we would be shooting would be Armalites and Colts. At some point LMT, BCM, DD, etc where all the new guy someone was warning against because they were an unknown and "Colt is the best".  

 

I'm not saying they are not overpriced, but I have an issue with the why try someone different argument.

 

I haven't handled or shot their guns, but do know that they have sponsored large matches I've attended which in my book counts for something, there are a lot of big name companies out there which do not help out the shooting sports.

Fair enough.

 

Fork over the cash for one and all the ammo you will need to shake it down and let us know how it runs.

 

With the price of guns and ammo the way it is, now is not the time to be "experimenting" with new brands that come off as cheesy as these from the get go.

 

BCM had some big name instructors known for their integrity and experience vouching for them an putting their names on BCM's rifles. They also started with reasonably priced no-frills (no fancy milling or paint jobs) that followed the TDP. They got fancy (offering hundreds of different models and configurations) after they had a solid reputation for building quality and reliable guns.

 

Big difference between BCM and BRO.

Fair enough.

 

Fork over the cash for one and all the ammo you will need to shake it down and let us know how it runs.

 

With the price of guns and ammo the way it is, now is not the time to be "experimenting" with new brands that come off as cheesy as these from the get go.

 

BCM had some big name instructors known for their integrity and experience vouching for them an putting their names on BCM's rifles. They also started with reasonably priced no-frills (no fancy milling or paint jobs) that followed the TDP. They got fancy (offering hundreds of different models and configurations) after they had a solid reputation for building quality and reliable guns.

 

Big difference between BCM and BRO.

Im not saying that BRO doesnt make quality rifles, I'm just saying that until they have a 'pedigree', I'll stick with those that do.

 

I held the same feeling with BCM, DD, and others when they were newcomers to the AR game. It was quite awhile before I felt there was enough 'proof in the pudding' to spend my money on their products.

Time will tell with BRO.

BCM had some big name instructors known for their integrity and experience vouching for them an putting their names on BCM's rifles

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Big difference between BCM and BRO.

 

Right because Pat Rogers has zero financial interest when he touts BCM and Vickers gets nothing from DD, and so on.   I'm not saying that those aren't good rifles, in fact I know they are.   Sure, those guys weren't going to chance their rep on shit, so odds are their endorsement was solid, but lets not pretend their endorsement was lacking in financial interest.

 

I'm not saying that if you asked me which rifle I wanted to pick up right now to defend my life, a stock BCM or a fancy BRO I wouldn't pick up the BCM because of course I would.  It just that we need to be careful when we ride the tactical hotness train. For example, I'm going to take a wildass guess that you would view a JP rifle as game/hobby rifle. Interestingly, Kyle Lamb thought highly enough of them to recommend them in his book.  Again, not a interest free recommendation there, seeing how there are a lot of JP/VTAC branded toys out there.

 

So I guess what I'm saying is that yes, if you want a sure bet, don't buy a BRO. Hell, I have no idea if the things even run, they might be complete malarkey.  But I do have an issue with the notion that anything not from the current hot manufacturers are "hobby" guns.   Funny, I never hear anyone saying they are willing to be shot with a hobby gun because it will hurt less or jam for sure.

So I guess what I'm saying is that yes, if you want a sure bet, don't buy a BRO.

That says it all doesn't it? I mean who doesn't want a "sure bet" on a $2500-$3000 rifle?

 

I am not sure about The LAV and his relationship with DD, but I do know Pat didn't endorse BCM until after they met his approval over a few years and tens of thousands of rounds downrange and the "Filthy 14" testing. When I first met him, Pat was a die-hard Colt guy who also endorsed Noveske, LMT, LaRue, Knights Armament, Defensive Edge, HK, and LWRCI, before becoming a Bravo Company guy. Even though he has couple of BCM rifles with his name on them he still does recommend those other brands.

 

It has nothing to do with rounds hurt less or it malfunctions more (jam goes on toast ) or it is a "hobby" or "boutique" gun. It has everything to do with a rifle being a known quantity built to or exceeding the Mil-Spec TDP or not.

 

ETA: Vlad G, I get what you are saying and you have a valid point. But, I can't help but think that if BRO wanted to be taken seriously they would push the reliability and function of their rifles and not their paint jobs, billet uppers and lowers (which have been proven to be weaker than forged) or fancy mill work. To me it seems that they are targeting a specific crowd who will buy rifles based on looks or because they are unique, not because they work with boring reliability. They are looking for fan-boys not serious shooters.

 

Until I am satisfied at the "maturity" of the company and the reliability, function, strength and accuracy I will not consider recommending them to others. I will stick to the proven brands when telling someone where to spend their money.

Edited July 5, 201313 yr by High Exposure

In general we agree, but lets not forget that the companies playing it safe and following the spec are not the ones bringing innovation to the market. If every AR was always made to the spec we wouldn't have the options we have now.

 

When I looked at buying my first AR the answer was " buy ABC or GTFO". Well ... Who buys armalite, bushmaster and colt as the only options anymore?

 

Sure forged is fine but only if you have a large scale foundry, and lets face it most of the manufacturers don't, and contract out to the 3 or 4 places that make them for everyone. If you are a small company with a big idea, billet is the only option, you can't afford forged. I don't know anyone who is willing to say Larue's billet parts are not top notch for example.

 

Without the small guy trying crap out and taking a chance we would be still using sharp sticks. Without someone buying the first improved sharp stick mark II, that guy making it would have starved.

Also, show me proof that all billet uppers and lowers are weaker than mil spec forged.

 

Most claims I have seen of that usually operate on the assumption that billet won't be 7075-t6 aluminum. That used to be a safe bet a decade ago. It isn't now. Not to mention machining and dimensioning of parts makes a world of difference to durability.