Hello Everyone,

 

Not sure exactly where to put this. Ran into a slight problem I wanted to check with fellow NJ forum members. I just won a bid on gunbroker for a Black Rain Ordnance stripped lower/upper set. My FFL is telling me its illegal and is considered an assault weapon. From my understanding I didn't know there were certain stripped lowers that were illegal. I of course want to abide by the laws. If anyone could shed some light on this I would appreciate it.

find a new ffl.

find a new ffl.

+1 Lower would be illegal if it was specifically named on the NJ Assault weapon list..Dont think Black Rain is on that list 

Well it depends

 

Does the lower say ar15 on it.... if it does it might be an issue.

is this the one you purchased, If it is its completely legal and you need a new FFL

 

Not trying to be argumentative but how do you know the FFL is wrong? My FFL had told me he went on Black Rain Ordnance website and said Black Rain was one of the stripped lowers that was not legal

is this the one you purchased

 

Yes that is the one

Nothing wrong with it... may i ask what he thinks is illegal about it

The only lowers that are illegal are the ones marked "ar-15" or by specific name. All other lowers are legal. Find a new ffl that knows what they are talking about.

find a new ffl.

+1

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/29389-read-before-posting-nj-gun-law-faq/?hl=%2Bsubstantially+%2Bidentical

 

check out this post

Not trying to be argumentative but how do you know the FFL is wrong? My FFL had told me he went on Black Rain Ordnance website and said Black Rain was one of the stripped lowers that was not legal

 

According to what law.

Nothing wrong with it... may i ask what he thinks is illegal about it

 

My FFL was telling me that he went on Black Rain's website and said its illegal. Didn't want to be argumentative with him and tell him I don't believe its illegal. He continued on to saying that its considered an assault weapon and then mention something about magazine capacity which I know in NJ is 15. For some reason he talked about how I could change magazines to different capacity with this lower.

If your FFL said its illegal due to mag capacity and this is a stripped lower then he's an idiot and should not be an FFL.

 

Mag Capacity and a stripped Lower have nothing to do with each other.

 

Their is no reason to go on Black rains website... Its legal

 

does he have the lower in his possession? If so ask him to mail it to another FFL
 

If your FFL said its illegal due to mag capacity and this is a stripped lower then he's an idiot and should not be an FFL.

 

Capacity and Lower are 2 separate items not connected at all

 

Their is no reason to go on Black rains website... Its legal

 

does he have the lower in his possession? If so ask him to mail it to another FFL

 

 

He does not have it in his possession Ill have to find someone else to recieve it.

Just trying to be as careful as possible. Don't want to be breaking any laws.

Thanks for your help

He does not have it in his possession Ill have to find someone else to recieve it.

Just trying to be as careful as possible. Don't want to be breaking any laws.

Thanks for your help

 

If your close to Monmouth country i will accept it

Or Morganville  i think your too far HAHAHA

 

Whomever does the transfer its legal

If your close to Highland lakes we will as well !.....

 

 

 

 

 

LOL.......

 

FYI went to BRO website and I see NOTHING that would make that unit illegal in NJ as it is.... 

 

Or Morganville  i think your too far HAHAHA

 

Whomever does the transfer its legal

 

I'd love to get it transfered to both of you but you guys are to far! haha

Thanks again I really appreciate the responses

Anytime!

If your close to Monmouth country i will accept it

  

If your close to Highland lakes we will as well !.....

 

 

 

 

 

LOL.......

 

FYI went to BRO website and I see NOTHING that would make that unit illegal in NJ as it is....

 

Thank the Heavens we have smart FFL's left in this state!

So are we back to square one where my ffl could be right?

Are we gonna name said ffl so people know not to use misinformed tards?

NOW....they MIGHT be referring to the lower and the THIRD position for the safety.........this is an assumption on my part....and I am NOT an authority on NFA weapons...BUT even thought there is a position for burst or auto...there are a number of things that have to be available inside the receiver (milled out room) and an additional pin hole that does not seem to be present....thus IMO render the third position in the lower moot...

That might be what they are referring too....

 

As I recall.........only COLT lowers have the space for the burst assembly blocked and most if not all other lowers have the area milled out.....again...NOT an expert on NFA weapons or even how to make one, which I dont think it is legal to do even in free states.....you have to buy one made prior to a certain date etc....AFAIK....  YMMV

This is what I was looking at, I wonder if the FFL was considering this to be a select fire rifle. Is the mere mention, or in this case potential indication enough to make it illegal in the PRNJ ? It's possible here...

Well I did call another ffl to do the transfer and he accepted it with no hesitation. But I am curious to know more on what nickjc is talking about

It is very important to know what ffl told you this lower was illegal... We should really start an "ffl blacklist" and list any ffl that does not know the law

Well I did call another ffl to do the transfer and he accepted it with no hesitation. But I am curious to know more on what nickjc is talking about

He is talking about full auto selector switch markings... It's not relevant IMO

In my humble opinion, some FFL's quote law for not doing the transfer when in reality they just dont want to. I wish they would just say they dont want to as it would cut down on the confusion.

 

In the case of this specific lower, even if its not illegal per se, I would not want a lower with a FA position. I know its a long shot but consider if you had a rifle malf and go full auto and the po po got called, imagine your trying to explain to the prosecuter that gets called that the label for full auto on your rifle that went full auto is fake. Subsequently imagine your lawyer trying to explain the technical attributes and mechanics to a potentially gun unfriendly, white haired grandma and grampa jury. To me this is simply in the catagory of why give them extra ammo against you as we live behind enemy lines.

He is talking about full auto selector switch markings... It's not relevant IMO

It isn't.  Low shelf lower with select fire markings has no bearing on legality.  I could have "Safe", one dildo, and multiple dildos engraved on my lowers for the FCG positions and it wouldn't make any difference from "Safe" "Fire" and "Auto".  Though it certainly would be more memorable.  As long as it doesn't have that sear pin drilled in it...

 

I'd like to ask that FFL what he thinks about the legality of M16 BCGs...

Who is said FFL?  Let us know so we can avoid 'em.

For further consideration on why I hold the position I do take a look at the Olofson case.

 

http://www.firearmscoalition.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=192&Itemid=37

i think this is going a bit far.... that lower might have a 3rd marking but a lot of lowers do. this does not mean its a full or select fire NFA weapon.