Ok so first thanks to everyone in the last thread who had given me some ideas and suggested I take serious action to fix the problem /clear the "jam" .... and hey, 'Desperate times call for desperate measures....".

 

 

 

 

I typed out a long background to the question but I know a lot of people hate reading on here so I will just type the actual circumstance.  Say you have a full tube in my case 6 shells, you rack it back which brings a shell into the carrier area , then as you start to apply pressure forward, your'e not "sending it home" you just push a little bit forward.  Does the extractor on yours or other 870s "grab" the shell and hold it firmly into place?  Or does it not , it doesn't have the power to "grab it" and the shell sort of floats above it freely, in danger of not going into place?

 

 

The first picture represents what I call the right, ideal situation.  The bolt comes a little forward and the extractor has 'grabbed" the rim of the shell, holding it and then you can leave it there like that ,when you want to shoot you simply complete the application of pressure on the slide to finish loading .

 

The second represents what happens when its not "grabbing" ... so this was happening a LOT to me after I first installed the new non-MIM extractor months back.  I knew something was wrong and it culminated with a major lockup and stoppage/malfunction at the range back in like Feb or March.  I knew I had something wrong, and I just got the parts in, thinking I might have done something to them when I was messing I replaced the extractor plunger spring AND the extractor plunger .. when I put the extractor back in last night it does "grab" the shell a lot better , but still if I don't "pump it" hard enough it results in the 3rd picture.

 

 

 

So my question is, is it SIMPLY a situation of, it's what happens if you don't rack it powerfully and everyone else would have the same problem, you gotta rack it, OR is it something with mine, you guys can rack it slowly with minimal pressure and your extractor will still 'grab" the shells no problem?  Cool thank.

 

 

 

 

I can't pull out my 870 right now to try it to answer your question, but if you determine that you need  any 870 parts send me a PM, I have quite a bit of shotgun parts I won't need.

I can't pull out my 870 right now to try it to answer your question, but if you determine that you need  any 870 parts send me a PM, I have quite a bit of shotgun parts I won't need.

Hey thanks much, care to elaborate? Or privately?

Anybody?  I can explain further if i Didn't do a good job the first time?

I think you are overthinking the role of the extractor.  I believe it should feed even if the extractor doesn't grab the shell.  I believe the extractor functions to grab and toss the shell out . It should have no bearing on the feeding of the round.

Edit...  after further review of your post regarding picture 3,  are you saying that on ejection the extractor does not grab the shell and slips over it and the round remains in the chamber?  If so,  you may need to adjust the tension on the extractor.

Who cares?

I think you are overthinking the role of the extractor.  I believe it should feed even if the extractor doesn't grab the shell.  I believe the extractor functions to grab and toss the shell out . It should have no bearing on the feeding of the round.

Edit...  after further review of your post regarding picture 3,  are you saying that on ejection the extractor does not grab the shell and slips over it and the round remains in the chamber?  If so,  you may need to adjust the tension on the extractor.

 

I take your point that the extractor is for extracting not feeding, I get that.  However it's like what I'm thinking is, one problem or symptom is possibly indicative of a whole different problem.... a very stiff neck on your left side can actually be caused by a problem with your lower right ankle, which causes a chain of events up your body realizing symptoms in your left side of neck. I  am just concerned something was not right.

 

 

Basically as I admitted, I had had some problems after I installed the non-MIM extractor and the police parts upgrades.  Resulting in a stoppage at the range back early this year I could not reconcile, had to put the shotgun away.  I wound up tinkering it several times but never was happy with the feeding and extraction and didn't think it would be 100% at HD (you can't get , or *I* can't, get to the range every day to debug problems or changes.)

 

 

I have since come to learn from a Calguns thread by one of the countries' foremost 870 experts that Remington in their Freedom Group goodness was not making the steel , non-MIM {Read: POLICE} Extractors properly at the factory.  I was not the only person having problems .  Now I have hopefully fixed it I am just not able to go bang out 25 rounds outside to confirm and was wondering what happens with other peoples guns, I didn't realize I was bothering so many people, I can go ask somewhere else.  Sorry to have bothered.

The only shotgun I know that's billed as "controlled round feed" is the Savage 220F bolt gun.

 

The only other shotguns I know where the shell will be captured by the extractor before chambering is a properly-timed 870 and Model 12. (I don't know if the new-style shell lifter on the 870 makes a difference, but on the older, stiffer style models controlled feed is the norm. All other designs are usually push-feed and the extractor doesn't normally capture the shell's rim until its fully seated in the chamber. Once chambered, the extractor has purchase on the rim for extraction after firing. Keep in mind late-models guns are designed to handle 3" & 3.5" shells, so shorter shells may exhibit this tendency.

You are over-analyzing the problem. Shoot a couple of flats through the gun and work it in before chastising its "internet" deficiencies and modifying parts.

First off, the extractor holds the shell firmly on all my 870's whether feeding or removing a shell.  I don't know if yours has a problem or not. If you are concerned, you might want to consult a gunsmith.

 

 

I typed out a long background to the question but I know a lot of people hate reading on here so I will just type the actual circumstance.  

 Few of us hate reading, but I hate having to sift through a bunch of irrelevant chatter to get to the point.  I don't need to know that you used a coupon a Dick's to buy it, that your grandma gave you the money for Guy Fox day, what you got on your 5-dollar footlong on the trip back, etc.  You'll generally get more responses if readers don't have to wade through a stream of conscious thought to figure out what you need help with.

 

I didn't realize I was bothering so many people, I can go ask somewhere else.  Sorry to have bothered.

What were you expecting that you didn't get?  30 responses?  Honestly, my guns have never jammed so I had to physically check them.  My bet is that most 870 owners (like me) never noticed either way.